LyleGorch
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So where are we on this? Does MarkknopflerisGod own this guitar? Real or fake? I gotta headache.
1957 Gibson Les Paul Goldtop ? serial 7-2595 ? Real or Fake ?
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Frutiger
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Firstly, I'm not here to dispute what it is or isn't but this guitar does potentially have a very different cavity route.
You can see that the cavity of Mike's guitar has the stepped route you would expect from a carved top guitar. The guitar is question doesn't appear to have that, although it's difficult to tell from the images we currently have. Better images of the cavity would help enormously.
I've checked my LP Custom and the cavity also has the typical stepped cavity route. There are a batch of 'Bursts without this stepped route and rounded cavity walls that are known about and documented (and talked about here) but this is the first time I've seen anyone talk about a PAF gold top without it. The cavity route is the same regardless of maple top or single-piece body, with the wiring channel obviously different between the two body types. It would be really interesting to find out if there are other GTs out there with this anomaly. I've always presumed the secondary route is the cause of the rounded cavity walls being removed, which is why I don't think the guitar in question has it.
I'd also like to know more about the finish on the back of the headstock/neck if Tom Murphy 're-stamped the serial number' as it was said the seller was claiming. was the entire guitar finished white and the coat containing the serial got burned through when sanding it off, or is there another reason?
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It would still be nice to see the truss rod cavity close up in a quality pic, as I wrote in post #53.
Guitar still needs in-hand inspection IMO.
If only there was another contemporary (documented) specimen with this odd cavity, I'd be more inclined to believe that the guitar really is a bonafide all mahogany '57 GT.
Guitar still needs in-hand inspection IMO.
If only there was another contemporary (documented) specimen with this odd cavity, I'd be more inclined to believe that the guitar really is a bonafide all mahogany '57 GT.
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Burst [and Goldtop] cavities...AVH question.
While looking through Burst gang the other day, I noticed these cavity shots of 9-2174, on page 144. Have any of you seen other LPs with this outline? The oddities are, there are no straight line cuts between the neck volume and neck tone pots, nor between the two volume pots. I did a brief...
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Fruttiger>>You can see that the cavity of Mike's guitar has the stepped route you would expect from a carved top guitar. The guitar is question doesn't appear to have that, although it's difficult to tell from the images we currently have. Better images of the cavity would help enormously.<<
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Frutiger
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That's the 'Burst cavity anomaly that is well documented, as my previous post states. Again, the guitar in question would be the first PAF gold top I've heard of that doesn't display this secondary route.
That does not mean it isn't real. It just means it has an anomaly that we as a forum could be figuring out which could help the further authentication of these guitars (like with the 'Burst cavity anomaly, or the stepped switch route on '58 GTs).
Does anyone else know of another PAF GT in the same serial range that has the same cavity? Gibson was a factory operation, I highly doubt this would have happened to a single guitar within a batch (it didn't with the Burst's and is specific to the 9-21XX range and another range if memory serves), if this guitar is real and displays this quirk, then others will too.
I'm far more interested in understanding the anomaly than I am in authenticating this guitar (although I do think one could also lead to the other).
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EDIT: This is what I mean by stepped/secondary route. It's the thing that happens on the cavity floor to make the cavity parallel with the carved top. Carved top LP's with the exception of the 'Burst range mentioned have it, this is what creates the 'widow's peak' that people authenticating Bursts have talked about in the past. This secondary route is also what causes the cavity walls to be flattened off. Which is why Specials have the full rounded cavity - there's no second routing pass that removes them. And again, this is why that specific range of Bursts have rounded cavity walls - because they never received this second route either.
Again, that does not mean the guitar isn't real. It might just mean we've found an anomaly in the early all-hog GTs. And wouldn't that be cool?
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DOUBLE EDIT: Below is the cavity from my all-hog '56 Custom, highlighting this route, It runs along the bottom of the cavity and when it passes the curved walls, cuts them straight. The GT we're talking about doesn't have this. Or I'd say, it can't have it AND have rounded cavity walls because one produces the other. And that is potentially a big anomaly in an early PAF GT. Or we might find more with time that prove it's 'a thing'.
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The chew mark exists because it is cut with a spotface/counterbore as a separate step from the angled portion of the cavity floor that squares the two inner lobes of the cloverleaf. The chew mark is not made by a drill chuck
If this is a fake it is damn good! The lack of the angled cavity floor is weird, but not unprecedented in 50s LPs as the photos in some of these replys demonstrate
