Bloomfield's Tone= Annoying?

[Radagacuca]

lee = mostly about racing (which i love) but gets boring sometimes when there´s no competition.
bloomfield = crusin´(which i love too) but gets odd when you don´t have a chance to speed up every now and then...

so.. both are great in their own way... i couldnßt listen to tya all day long as i couldn´t listen to bloomfield all day long.
hmm. ya, that albert shuffle is the perfect fill for these moods

 

[Manolian]

Personally, I thought Ten Years After's performance at Woodstock was extreme wanking. Why didn't he call it "Rock 'n' Roll Medley" and give credit to all the folks who's songs he lifted?

Having said that, there's some TYA music I really love, most of it pre-Woodstock. Alvin Lee just always seemed like a guy who was into being fast and loud. And I don't find that particularily musical. And I think that's the reason he isn't remembered like Eric Clapton, Peter Green or even Mick Taylor.

I'd take the first 12 bars of "Albert's Shuffle" over the entire TYA catalog. Bloomfield's playing just moves me in ways TYA never could. YMMV.

+1

 

[sgtJoe]

Personally, I thought Ten Years After's performance at Woodstock was extreme wanking. Why didn't he call it "Rock 'n' Roll Medley" and give credit to all the folks who's songs he lifted?

Having said that, there's some TYA music I really love, most of it pre-Woodstock. Alvin Lee just always seemed like a guy who was into being fast and loud. And I don't find that particularily musical. And I think that's the reason he isn't remembered like Eric Clapton, Peter Green or even Mick Taylor.

I'd take the first 12 bars of "Albert's Shuffle" over the entire TYA catalog. Bloomfield's playing just moves me in ways TYA never could. YMMV.

I totally disagree, Alvin Lee's solos sound very melodic, musical and just plain killer to me. All the great players "lifted" stuff, including Bloomfield. Alvin Lee is still with us to boot, which says much about his convictions.

 

[carlygtr56]

Personally, I thought Ten Years After's performance at Woodstock was extreme wanking. Why didn't he call it "Rock 'n' Roll Medley" and give credit to all the folks who's songs he lifted?

Having said that, there's some TYA music I really love, most of it pre-Woodstock. Alvin Lee just always seemed like a guy who was into being fast and loud. And I don't find that particularily musical. And I think that's the reason he isn't remembered like Eric Clapton, Peter Green or even Mick Taylor.

I'd take the first 12 bars of "Albert's Shuffle" over the entire TYA catalog. Bloomfield's playing just moves me in ways TYA never could. YMMV.

You heard the whole TYA performance at Woodstock?
Somehow I doubt it
I'm Going Home was the encore. Put it in perspective......and if you think all Alvin Lee could play was that, you really are in no position to cast any judgement.

Check out the TYA live and the double live Fillmore cd.

 

[romo]

I'm a big fan of Bloomfield's tone. I can't see why anyone could say it was annoying. I've got to admit though....I like him better on a telecaster!:spabout

 

[sgtJoe]

I think some folks are still missing the point of his comment, the Brits are known for their type of humor, having said that I think he made the coment the same way I or someone else might make a comment regarding solid state amplifiers. I don't particularly care for the sound and tone of most of them, I have been known to say "I hate solid state guitar amps." Well, I really don't "hate" them, it's just a metaphor to express a highly charged emotional adversity towards them at best. Alvin Lee just picked a word to expressed the same thing, he just didn't care for the tone and I understand why when you consider the question he responded to and the fact that there is a huge difference in tone and sound of Fender vs Marshall.

 

[Black58]

My opinion today might be a little different tomarrow. I choose not to carve it in stone. It's a shame when others do this to theirs, as well as mine! :dang

 

[58Lover]

I've seen Alvin (and had the honor of working on one of his 335's prior to Hob Show a few years ago - and he kicked ass.

I doubt very seriously that anyone here could get close to him. Maybe if your playing is close to his in quality you can say "he sucks"...

But of you can't, you shouldn't throw stones.

 

[Buffaloe]

I've seen Alvin (and had the honor of working on one of his 335's prior to Hob Show a few years ago - and he kicked ass.

I doubt very seriously that anyone here could get close to him. Maybe if your playing is close to his in quality you can say "he sucks"...

But of you can't, you shouldn't throw stones.

I'll take a small issue with that attitude. There are plenty of people that can play circles around me who's playing I don't enjoy. Take Malmsteen for example. I wouldn't say he sucks but I sure can't stand to listen to him. As to Alvin, he was one of my inspirations when I was a teenager. I never could come close to that speed (not many can) but I did steal some of his phrases.

 

[sgtJoe]

I've seen Alvin (and had the honor of working on one of his 335's prior to Hob Show a few years ago - and he kicked ass.

I doubt very seriously that anyone here could get close to him. Maybe if your playing is close to his in quality you can say "he sucks"...

But of you can't, you shouldn't throw stones.[/quo

I'm jealous, Alvin Lee is one of the few guitarists I truly worship, Always been a huge devotee.

 

[CocoTone]

Wise words.:salude

You mean Western Electric. They designed the most popular guitar amp circuits in history, which is the basis for the Bassman, JTM 45 etc.

CT.

 

[58Lover]

I'll take a small issue with that attitude. There are plenty of people that can play circles around me who's playing I don't enjoy. Take Malmsteen for example. I wouldn't say he sucks but I sure can't stand to listen to him. As to Alvin, he was one of my inspirations when I was a teenager. I never could come close to that speed (not many can) but I did steal some of his phrases.

You just proved my point.

Even tho you might not like Malmsteen's style, you say "I wouldn't say he sucks".

There are lots of players I don't care for, for one reason or another but I won't go around saying "he sucks".

Like it's been said so many times, opinions are like assholes, everyone's got one. But to say Lee (or any well-known player) sucks because someone doesn't care/understand his playing or because he made a comment decades ago - whatever - just kind of sounds immature or harsh.

 

[marklp69]

I love 'em both! :dude: Two different flavors, both great.

 

[Buffaloe]

You just proved my point.

Yeah, I'm in agreement with you, I just didn't get that out clearly. There are players that bore me to tears that are great players, and others I don't think can play worth a shit but have had success doing it.

 

[fast ricky love]

Well, I'll go against the trend and say I do find Bloomfield's tone annoying, always have. Thin and piercing. His style while totally influential, wasn't very lyrical to me either. So, I can't sit and listen to his stuff for long stretches on either count.

Listen to it with people who AREN'T guitar freaks and they'll ask that you either turn it down or turn it off altogether more times than not.

Let the games begin! :salude

 

[Dino_k]

I've seen Alvin (and had the honor of working on one of his 335's prior to Hob Show a few years ago - and he kicked ass.

I doubt very seriously that anyone here could get close to him. Maybe if your playing is close to his in quality you can say "he sucks"...

But of you can't, you shouldn't throw stones.

I will take a more definitive stand on this one. If you can afford the album and give it an honest listening, you have the right to determine if you think it sucks or not. Doing and judging are completely different processes, and I've known many professional judges (mostly of athletic events, such as baseball, gymnastics and diving) that clearly don't have the ability to do but most assuredly know how to judge. Evaluating the "goodness" of music is a more subjective issue than evaluating an athletic performance, but we've all seen technically proficient musicians whose music is completely without artistic qualities.

Besides that, this is a forum and everybody is entitled to espouse whatever opinions here that they want. They might get some pushback, but that's what a forum is - a place to exchange ideas and opinions.

 

[fast ricky love]

I will take a more definitive stand on this one. If you can afford the album and give it an honest listening, you have the right to determine if you think it sucks or not. Doing and judging are completely different processes, and I've known many professional judges (mostly of athletic events, such as baseball, gymnastics and diving) that clearly don't have the ability to do but most assuredly know how to judge. Evaluating the "goodness" of music is a more subjective issue than evaluating an athletic performance, but we've all seen technically proficient musicians whose music is completely without artistic qualities.

Besides that, this is a forum and everybody is entitled to espouse whatever opinions here that they want. They might get some pushback, but that's what a forum is - a place to exchange ideas and opinions.

Good post.

 

[sgtJoe]

I will take a more definitive stand on this one. If you can afford the album and give it an honest listening, you have the right to determine if you think it sucks or not. Doing and judging are completely different processes, and I've known many professional judges (mostly of athletic events, such as baseball, gymnastics and diving) that clearly don't have the ability to do but most assuredly know how to judge. Evaluating the "goodness" of music is a more subjective issue than evaluating an athletic performance, but we've all seen technically proficient musicians whose music is completely without artistic qualities.

Besides that, this is a forum and everybody is entitled to espouse whatever opinions here that they want. They might get some pushback, but that's what a forum is - a place to exchange ideas and opinions.

That's exactly what we're doing, exchanging ideas and opinions, it's also a good idea to listen to both sides for one's own edification as well as for the entertainment.

 

[pablomago]

I didn't say he sucked, I said I thought "I'm Going Home" was wanking. That's my opinion (and you know what they say about opinions). I do like some of his music and his playing. I hate the song "I'd Love to Change the World" but I can't deny he plays some nice stuff on that song and he's got good tone. Some of the first slide guitar licks I ever learned came from Ten Years After songs.

Michael Bloomfield changed my world when I heard him. He had a direct and powerful influence on me that Alvin Lee never came close to. That's my life experience and I stand by it.

 

[sgtJoe]

I didn't say he sucked, I said I thought "I'm Going Home" was wanking. That's my opinion (and you know what they say about opinions). I do like some of his music and his playing. I hate the song "I'd Love to Change the World" but I can't deny he plays some nice stuff on that song and he's got good tone. Some of the first slide guitar licks I ever learned came from Ten Years After songs.

Michael Bloomfield changed my world when I heard him. He had a direct and powerful influence on me that Alvin Lee never came close to. That's my life experience and I stand by it.

Oh yeah, I hear ya, I know exactly what you mean. I'm just the oposite though. I like Bloomfield OK, but seeing Alvin Lee in the Woodstock performance when the movie first hit was an epiphany for me, I think I was 12 or 13. I've been playing the Cricklewood Green album constantly since it came out which was when I was in Junior High I believe, along with the Who's Live at Leeds, Hendrix' Band of Gypsies, Mountain's Climbing and Nantucket Sleighride and Creedence's Cosmo's Factory. Pretty easy to tell what generation I'm from, huh (I'll be 52 this year)