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Clapton's Shameful Slide

Doc Sausage

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I don't understand why people would want their whole world surrounded only by folks they agree with but I sure as hell know a few who are just like that.




Will there be some push back or maybe a bit of consequences from folks "outrage" or whatever? Yeah, but I don't think cancel would be the appropriate term as long as the man is selling big shows and sunshine still plays every other hour on the classic rock stations.
I guess there in lies part of the 'problem' as I see it. It shouldn't matter if you're selling big shows and being actively played on terrestrial radio. I get that that does have some bearing from a marketing standpoint. But it SHOULD matter that you have a legacy. Especially if it wasn't being a serial killer. We let people lie in state, presumably for their accomplishments heretofore. (then later fry them😁) I'll give the "Cancel Culture" one thing, it doesn't seem to discriminate along party and race lines anymore. If you are somehow deemed an undesirable for perpetrating heinous acts like expressing your opinion, you might just find yourself ostracized in your professional and personal endeavors.

This all started many years ago when we didn't notice the frog's water temperature being elevated. Now, he's boiling, and I'm not sure we put the genie back in the bottle...to shameless use a couple of metaphors!
 

Ed Driscoll

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I don't know if Eric Clapton is a US citizen, but if he were, I bet he would vote for Trump and not Biden.
Clapton also struck me as a Reagan supporter.
It's the same thing with Ted Nugent. The guys a great guitar player, sadly his political views prevent him from being taken seriously.

He's a musician, not a politician. As he wrote in his autobiography, Clapton played for President Clinton “[J]ust before Christmas 1998, when Bobby Shriver, whose mother Eunice is the founder of the Special Olympics, invited me to play in front of the Clintons at a concert at the White House to celebrate the thirtieth anniversary of the SO. The event, hosted by Whoopi Goldberg, consisted of the artists, who included Mary J. Blige, Sheryl Crow, Jon Bon Jovi, and Tracy Chapman, performing Christmas songs like ‘Santa Claus Is Coming to Town’ and ‘Merry Christmas Baby.’ It took place in a tent on the White House lawn.”

He backed up Roger Waters, no man of the right, on Waters’ first solo tour in the early 1980s. Clapton wrote of going on shooting parties in the English countryside with “Gary Brooker, Steve Winwood, Roger Waters, Nick Mason, and Mark Knopfler [who] are also keen shots, so it’s almost like coming full circle, meeting up again with all my old chums from the sixties music world in another, completely different sphere.”
 

deytookerjaabs

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I guess there in lies part of the 'problem' as I see it. It shouldn't matter if you're selling big shows and being actively played on terrestrial radio. I get that that does have some bearing from a marketing standpoint. But it SHOULD matter that you have a legacy. Especially if it wasn't being a serial killer. We let people lie in state, presumably for their accomplishments heretofore. (then later fry them😁) I'll give the "Cancel Culture" one thing, it doesn't seem to discriminate along party and race lines anymore. If you are somehow deemed an undesirable for perpetrating heinous acts like expressing your opinion, you might just find yourself ostracized in your professional and personal endeavors.

This all started many years ago when we didn't notice the frog's water temperature being elevated. Now, he's boiling, and I'm not sure we put the genie back in the bottle...to shameless use a couple of metaphors!

Perspective...

There was a huge outrage culture towards The Beatles, people called for banning them from the states, people burned their records in public, etc etc. This stuff has gone on forever, back before the 60's you had laws/regulations for studios in film (and music) about how/when they could portray violence or bad words, in the 80's/90's there was a large contingent of people who wanted to ban cussing in (only, lol) rap/metal music or at least make sure anyone under 18 couldn't hear it, every time some pop diva shows extra skin you get an outrage of people calling for them to be dropped from their label. On and on it goes....


Are you really concerned with "cancel culture," or is it simply you have a victim complex for Clapton because you happen to agree with him?
 

Doc Sausage

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Perspective...

There was a huge outrage culture towards The Beatles, people called for banning them from the states, people burned their records in public, etc etc. This stuff has gone on forever, back before the 60's you had laws/regulations for studios in film (and music) about how/when they could portray violence or bad words, in the 80's/90's there was a large contingent of people who wanted to ban cussing in (only, lol) rap/metal music or at least make sure anyone under 18 couldn't hear it, every time some pop diva shows extra skin you get an outrage of people calling for them to be dropped from their label. On and on it goes....


Are you really concerned with "cancel culture," or is it simply you have a victim complex for Clapton because you happen to agree with him?
Let’s just say I’m a defender of personal freedom. I have never smoked (cigarettes) and abhor the damn things but in the 1990’s, CA was one of the first states to ban smoking in offices, restaurants, etc. And later, X number feet OUTSIDE near a park. (shocker, I know) I saw it for what it was and supported smokers “rights” or privilege or whatever it is. I guess I saw the entrance ramp to the proverbial, slippery slope way back then.

Typically, I’m put off by politics in my rock music, in general. I don’t think Clapton stumps for his views while in concert. At least I hope he doesn’t. Like a Springsteen rally, I mean, concert.

I’m not a Clapton shill per se, but being 65 years old, obviously, I’m a long time fan. But in his case, I more agree with his views than oppose them. I’m not worth canceling but I agree it’s nothing new...however, it is on a scale I’ve never seen.
 

Ed Driscoll

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Typically, I’m put off by politics in my rock music, in general. I don’t think Clapton stumps for his views while in concert. At least I hope he doesn’t. Like a Springsteen rally, I mean, concert.
He didn't when I saw him in Fort Worth in September. As the Fort Worth Star-Telegram reported the day after:

Clapton didn’t say much between songs, but he appeared genuinely thrilled to be back on a stage playing music. He greeted the crowd with “Welcome back!” before opening with “Pretending”...Clapton steered clear of his latest single, “This Has Gotta Stop,” which was released two weeks ago. The song alludes to Clapton’s reaction to the COVID-19 pandemic and vaccines, which he has criticized.
 

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I stand by my statement. Rascist assholes. Science deniers. are not OK. They need to be called out for their ignorance. Period.
When did Clapton deny science? Also, because someone gets drunk and high and says things that are racist doesn't make one a racist. That's the nature of be drunk and under the influence. That's what drunk people do. Clapton has done more to bring black music to the masses than any other individual that I can think of. It's an isolated incident of someone saying vile things while under the influence. Which he publicly apologized for. You, Sir are just a grievance looking for a cause.

I stand by my statement. Rascist assholes. Science deniers. are not OK. They need to be called out for their ignorance. Period.
 

J.D.

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This while "cancel culture" and scrutinizing every single word anyone has said during their respective lifetime is so played out. Boo hoo, help help I'm being offended. Get over it. Segregate the body of work from the individual and stop idolizing and you'll be just fine.
 

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I stand by my statement. Rascist assholes. Science deniers. are not OK. They need to be called out for their ignorance. Period.

Plus there's a whole lot of BS and stupidity around transgender nonsense this day and age.......hopefully it'll die a natural death over time.
 

IMMUSICRULZ

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The sad part is making alcohol an excuse. Alcohol makes people say racist things when they are not really racist? Yeah...sure it does....
Alcohol killed my good friend Bon Scott. Now ACDC isn't the same without him!
 

Doc Sausage

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Alcohol killed my good friend Bon Scott. Now ACDC isn't the same without him!
Ok. Now we're getting somewhere, never mind EC, let's pile on Brian Johnson for being inept and a horrible replacement vocalist. And he also drinks and probably has an opinion. *GASP* Send in the cancellers!
 

IMMUSICRULZ

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It was heroin, sadly.
You sure? I heard he died from alcohol poisoning. I don't remember the entire story, but he went out drinking with some roadie for ACDC and the roadie eventually left Scott in the car to sober up. When the roadie returned at 6:45 the next evening, Scott was dead.

But back to the Clapton topic, if you guys only listen to Clapton's political views and nothing else, then you're not worthy of being considered an EC fan. What, are you guys jealous that he has dated Sheryl Crow and you haven't?

Better yet, if you have a Clapton Strat, the worst you could do is sell it on Reverb and cause more libel to his career.
 

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When did Clapton deny science? Also, because someone gets drunk and high and says things that are racist doesn't make one a racist. That's the nature of be drunk and under the influence. That's what drunk people do. Clapton has done more to bring black music to the masses than any other individual that I can think of. It's an isolated incident of someone saying vile things while under the influence. Which he publicly apologized for. You, Sir are just a grievance looking for a cause.
Where did he apologise?

Also, he admitted himself he was a “semi-racist”, which to me, is a racist.
 

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I just wish he’d write some new material that I’d enjoy …the late 60s-mid 70s EC were it for me.
 
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