DanD
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Excuse me, Welcome! should have proceeded the previous post. :salude
My BRAND NEW 2015 CS9 is arriving Wednesday. Since the last post to this thread, it has become apparent that those who questioned Gibson's marketing strategy were correct, as the CS for 2016 now appears to be the Standard Historic and went up another 300 bucks in price. Regardless, here's why I bought a CS9: The cheapest used 2013 or 2014 R9 is at least $4500-$5000. New CS9s were selling for $6,200, although apparently slowly. I got the last one at Sam Ash for $3999. I am buying the guitar to play. Not because it's a historic recreation, but because it's a quality Les Paul that weighs under nine pounds without weight relief.
I am sure some folks here will tell be I should have bought a used R9. Well I have 45 days to decide. But it it feels as great as I think it will, I'm keeping it. I don't really care about the tendon.
My BRAND NEW 2015 CS9 is arriving Wednesday. Since the last post to this thread, it has become apparent that those who questioned Gibson's marketing strategy were correct, as the CS for 2016 now appears to be the Standard Historic and went up another 300 bucks in price. Regardless, here's why I bought a CS9: The cheapest used 2013 or 2014 R9 is at least $4500-$5000. New CS9s were selling for $6,200, although apparently slowly. I got the last one at Sam Ash for $3999. I am buying the guitar to play. Not because it's a historic recreation, but because it's a quality Les Paul that weighs under nine pounds without weight relief.
I am sure some folks here will tell be I should have bought a used R9. Well I have 45 days to decide. But it it feels as great as I think it will, I'm keeping it. I don't really care about the tendon.
I bought the CS7 about a month ago. I read all about these here and took the plunge when WW dropped the price. I think it was more of a Gibson rebate to help them get rid of them. Regardless, the price came down to a decent level.
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The CS series is a great option to get the vintage vibe. Sure, you don't get bragging rights of the long tenon. The thousand dollar savings over shadowed that in my wallet.
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I think you did just fine. The price you paid should have been Gibson's "inrtoductory" pricing for the CS 9.
Wildwood couldn't move any stock at the original $6299 pricing. After lowering the price to $3399 for CS 7 and CS 8 models and $3999 for CS 9 and CS 0 models they have sold all but a few.
They actually went from an inventory of ~30 to about 8 in a matter of a month.
Gibson blew it by being to greedy on the original pricing of the CS line. eace2
Will they ever sell one?
They are never going to market a short neck tenon as a better feature than what is on their top of line,.
Interesting. Do you not recommend the exact same longish tenon that comes on a Les Paul Custom? You know, the slightly shorter one that is also wider?
I bought the CS7 about a month ago. I ... took the plunge when WW dropped the price. I think it was more of a Gibson rebate to help them get rid of them. Regardless, the price came down to a decent level. ...
I don't know if the $6199 MSRP on Gibson's site now applies to the 2015 CS9 series guitars WW has on sale now (at ~$4k). I don't know if Gibson offered any "rebate" (but I'd be surprised if they did). I do notice the $4k selling price is very d___ close to dealer cost for a Gibson with a $6199 MSRP, assuming Gibson still has the same dealer pricing structure I was familiar with a couple-decades ago.
A lot of assumptions on my part, but assuming the MSRP I noted above is correct for 2015 CS9/CS0, and assuming Gibson hasn't given any rebates, and assuming dealer pricing structure is the same as I recall, the I read this as WW taking a bath on the CS guitars and having to move them essentially at cost.
The only reason I thought a rebate was in play is because I saw Sweetwater's showed the same price, and showed an $1,800 rebate. Usually a rebate means it comes from the manufacturer. At least that's how I took it. When I saw WW had the same price, I guessed it included a rebate. I wanted to buy from them , because I bought my Thinskin Tele from them and think they do a real nice job. Plus, I like how they measure the necks. Mines .92 at the first fret and 1.00 at the 12th. It's the biggest neck I've played. Bigger than my Tele.
Bullshit.
There is no structural or tonal advantage to the vintage tenon over the same kind of tenon that is a wee bit shorter. If anything the newer tenon has a wider shape that retains more of the necks wood and increases wood to wood contact for what may be better tone transfer.
Now there's a good question for the Moderators! Is a CS NGD posting allowed here? These are Historics. Although the heading says Gibson Custom/Historic we all know the CS's are not historics. Should they be relegated to the Sunburst Lounge?
Say, don't you own one of those lesser R8s? I heard they're OK.
As the owner of an R9 and a CS9, I can tell you your assertions are absolutely wrong. I can hear no difference between the 2 using the same amp. Everything you said about "small tenons" was absolute bullshit. The CS9 has the exact same tenon as the Les Paul Custom, from the Custom Shop.
The title of this pub is rather clear, "Custom/Historic Les Paul District". Reading is fundamental, perhaps you require some practice?
Anyway, best of luck with the R8. I'm glad there's room here for lesser guitars.:salude
the butthurt in your post is astronomical. 3 posts in a row and necroing a thread, and getting borderline personal.
like has been said a million times; they're fine guitars, they aren't an R. the market agrees. Gibson agreed. only some the (few) people who bought them argue otherwise.
not an R not an R not an R
and never will be.
to top it all off your language betrays the fact that it is more obvious to you than to anyone else here.
Yes, cognitive dissonance rules your ears.
I have both guitars. "The Market" as you put it, doesn't have both guitars.
My knowledge is not pedantic, it is rooted in actuality. If they look the same, and sound the same, I have to think they are pretty much the same.
Say, don't you own one of those lesser R8s? I heard they're OK.
As the owner of an R9 and a CS9, I can tell you your assertions are absolutely wrong. I can hear no difference between the 2 using the same amp. Everything you said about "small tenons" was absolute bullshit. The CS9 has the exact same tenon as the Les Paul Custom, from the Custom Shop.
The title of this pub is rather clear, "Custom/Historic Les Paul District". Reading is fundamental, perhaps you require some practice?
Anyway, best of luck with the R8. I'm glad there's room here for lesser guitars.:salude