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Current Ace Frheley's burst mad at Gibson

Slashburst

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Posted at Al's FB current Ace's burst owner, by himself:
Ace Frehley Burst. PLEASE SHARE POST!!
You may notice that Ace sounds thicker than the Riot burst.
Back in 1986 when Vic Dapra had every 59 Les Paul imaginable, I asked him which one was his best sounding burst?
Vic replied to me the Ace Frehley burst.
I feel bad for anyone who purchased the remake of this Ace burst guitar because Gibson has told my attorney that they did not use the scans of my Ace burst when they made the remakes and in fact it was based upon Ace's memory of the guitar and photographs.
To make a long story short anybody who purchased the remake of the Ace Frehley 59 Les Paul was robbed by Gibson.
I really think Gibson has set them self up for a class action lawsuit.
Considering that Gibson lied to the public in adverts in every way regarding that Ace 59 guitar which is not a duplicate of my guitar!
Gibson's attorney said its based upon Ace's memory. Ace has not seen this guitar in 30 years! He relinquished ownership of it in 1986 when he was unable to pay We Buy Guitars the extra 4 thousand dollars that was owed to get the guitar back.
The guitar was 6000 dollars in 1986! Ace couldn't get it together.
I offered Ace the guitar for 75k in 1991 and he said he was broke.
Ace didn't have the cash. Now Ace is very bitter because the guitar is the most valuable Les Paul in existence. Currently valued at 2 million or more.
I think its priceless. Its the best guitar on earth and Ive played them all.

I had to hire attorneys to sue Gibson. They paid me a small amount than breached the settlement and never gave me the 4 guitars and cash which I was supposed to get in a signed contact I signed.
I don't even own a copy of Ace's guitar. They refused to send me the guitars they swore they would give me in my contract. Henry is a serious criminal of the highest order. He destroyed Gibson.

Its been a legal nightmare which is still ongoing. Ace ended up making over 300k or more on the deal after it was all said and done. He was given 7 guitars all of which he sold of for over 25k each. Ace refused to give me one penny. Yet Ace gave Matt Swanson money on the Budakon Les paul deal when Swanson let Gibson use his Budakon guitar to duplicate.
Again. I feel awful for anyone who was robbed by Gibson. They totally played the public.
I will be posting the letter from Gibson's attorney which states that they did not use the scans of the actual Frehley Burst guitar when making the 300 remakes which were seriously overpriced.

For anyone who purchased the Ace guitars. Please contact me and I will put you in contact with my attorney about details regarding a possible class action lawsuit.
Moral to the story. Hire a lawyer from day one and do not trust Henry at Gibson or VP Rick Gambar, Kevin Van Hammel and those other criminal people at Gibson who were involved in this Ace Frehley 59 burst guitar sham.
15k for an Ace guitar that was not even based upon the original scans?
That is not cool and its criminal. It was supposed to be based upon the actual scans and Gibson said it was not.
So sad the way Henry does biz and he wonders why the Gibson custom shop went out of business?
In time i will tell the whole story of what Gibson did. Flying me out to Nashville saying they had contracts ready. Than I get there and there was no contract. They blamed it on Ace and said don't worry we will give you 4 guitars and cash same as Matt Swanson got on his Ace Budakon deal.
It was like a bait and switch shell game. Stupid me trusted Gibson and found out the hard way but in the end truth prevails. The Gibson custom shop that made those fake Ace guitars went out of business, so God is good in the long run. Justice was served..
 

thin sissy

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I don't have any comment on the content of his post really, I don't know/don't care about it. But WHY are these long ass rants always written in such a weird way without any logical paragraphing? It makes my eyes bleed. If the one ranting wants people to read his short story, shouldn't he at least have the courtesy to make it easy to do so?
 

sws1

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Just last year, the original was being listed for "offers approaching $1M". Now it's worth $2M.
Hope he is keeping up with the insurance premiums.
 

GibbyLover

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I see some '15 Ace 59 ri are still for sale.
They are not aged nor signed.
I'm thinking about one of these, since the price is +- a normal TH from'15.
Anyone know why they aren't that popular?
 

Slashburst

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Just last year, the original was being listed for "offers approaching $1M". Now it's worth $2M.
Hope he is keeping up with the insurance premiums.
He was trying to sell it, I remember! 1MM on a guitar that was played by Ace who? sorry...now it is 2MM ´cause someone claims it is the best LP in da world!!!
 

clearmudd

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If this guy has an attorney I'm sure he appreciated this outburst......We all know these guitars are just replicas and are not EXACT by any sense of the word. One thing about Gibson marketing they always have an out, they always include they can change specifications at any time. Like most outbursts there has been some exaggeration.:hmm
 

alnico59

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I see some '15 Ace 59 ri are still for sale.
They are not aged nor signed.
I'm thinking about one of these, since the price is +- a normal TH from'15.
Anyone know why they aren't that popular?[/QUOTE]

Because the train stopped rolling in 2015. The market is soft now. Keep an eye out on here how many NGD's you see for older R's, anything pre '14. Not many. Buyers market, but most sellers not desperate to sell at such a loss.
 

Amp360

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I would assume that the people who bought the reissue liked it. Although I doubt the Spaceman's memory is all that good from 30 years ago.
 

clearmudd

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I think that Jimmy Page has the #1 and maybe #2 spot covered on THE most wanted 'bursts. I don't know what Kirk paid for "Greeny" but it wasn't cheap.
 

Melodyman

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Meh. Whats the big deal.. In reality, Gibson didnt make accurate reissues of any of their CC line either.. or any or their supposed reissues of classic 335's etc..(Bonamassa, Clapton, Haynes).,...They said thay had been scanned and laser measured to make an exact copy of the originals but they are not in many ways..
 

GibbyLover

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@Alnico:
The 2 Aces I see for sale are stil new for around 5500-6000€. Some 2ndhand sellers demand that for their TH's.
 

alnico59

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@Alnico:
The 2 Aces I see for sale are stil new for around 5500-6000€. Some 2ndhand sellers demand that for their TH's.

Small market for 5k+ guitars now. I don't see how the Ace would be exempt? Many delirious buyers walking around with the idea they can grab a used R7-R8 @ 2k and an R9 @ 3k. I don't necessarily agree with such a mindset and apparently the same for other sellers. So it's kind of at a stand still right now. I'm not selling any of mine so I say good luck with all that!
 

Steve Craw

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Maybe I'm missing something here, (no dog in this fight, don't care) but if this guy was promised something from Gibson and they didn't deliver, why shouldn't he be pissed?
 

garywright

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I'll have to reread that post again later at Al Gore speed ...at this point I'm not making sense of anything ..but I've been confused many times before :jim
 

sws1

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Maybe I'm missing something here, (no dog in this fight, don't care) but if this guy was promised something from Gibson and they didn't deliver, why shouldn't he be pissed?

My interpretation of the note (and I'll admit, it's a bit hard to follow) is that verbal commitments were made, but not kept. Having Ace in the loop of this, since it was an Artist model, likely made this even more complicated. I'm sure there was a contract with Ace, but I can't tell if there was a contract with the current owner.
 

Amp360

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Maybe I'm missing something. Why would Gibson own the original owner anything? Is it against some sort of law for the company that owns the trademark to something (Gibson Les Paul) to make a copy of something they made years ago just because a particular example is owned by someone else?
 
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