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Fretboard Quality issues continue

Billielvis

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Hi All,
I've pinged the always helpful Kevin separately - brand new aged Historic - are fingerboards aged too ?

Just for interest - here are some pics

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Billielvis

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interesting - not too porous from my experience
Scratch on 1st fret - binding file mark in second pic
 

J.D.

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Very typical; looks better than most actually.
 
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Kim R

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Yes - better than others I noticed in the shop.....

What makes this poor IMO, is how quickly/easily these file scars could have been corrected. New guitars should not come out of the box with that stuff.
 

J T

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Oh
Horizontal File marks. I see now.
 

Progrocker111

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Rosewood is pretty standard. But yes - those marks on wood or binding shouldnt be there, its unfortunately often a standard too. :hmm
 

marshall1987

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Yikes! That fingerboard looks pretty marginal IMO. The Indian Rosewood Gibson has been using since about 2013 for the Custom Shop guitars is a mixed bag. You can't assume that all of the Custom Shop guitars are shipping with premium rosewood fingerboards.

FYI ........Gibson is supplied with completed fingerboards from a sub-contractor. Pre-milled maple top billets for Les Pauls are also supplied by a subcontractor. However, Gibson has CNC routers that actually carve the maple tops.
 

latestarter

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My ES-345 has a marginal fret board in terms of finish. The wood is great, but the execution is average. Gibson has been average at this for decades now. There should be no surprises.

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Warmy

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Classic Gibson quality.

Then again, the folks putting these things together most likely aren't the gems of the luthier world, no offense intended. Something tells me there are probably a zillion other things they'd rather be doing then putting a guitar together (an instrument probably only a fraction of them actually play) for some a-hole with 5k-10k plus of disposable income to burn while they're living paycheck to paycheck.

Quality control issues happen, but when they happen on a guitar at this price range - it'll make you think twice about what's going on at the Gibson factory.

Love my R9, but I'll never buy another new Gibson again.
 

DanD

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I've owned over a dozen bound LPs over 3 decades and never knew how nice over the fret binding could be done until I got my Hammer Monaco Superpro. It appears that whoever did the filing finished the job with a much finer file on the Superpro. The typical file marks I was accustomed to seeing are completely absent.

I think Gibson should add that extra step to clean up the initial file marks the course file left behind.

The attention to detail in this area between the Hamer and my Gibsons is night and day.

Out of my current Gibsons, the '04 CR6 is best. All three R model '11s, my '12 SG Deluxe, and my '13LP Std show that same "rushed" type of roughness to the binding edges pictured here.
 

J.D.

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Check out a higher-end PRS fretboard some time :jim
 

Warmy

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I've owned over a dozen bound LPs over 3 decades and never knew how nice over the fret binding could be done until I got my Hammer Monaco Superpro. It appears that whoever did the filing finished the job with a much finer file on the Superpro. The typical file marks I was accustomed to seeing are completely absent.

I think Gibson should add that extra step to clean up the initial file marks the course file left behind.

The attention to detail in this area between the Hamer and my Gibsons is night and day.

Out of my current Gibsons, the '04 CR6 is best. All three R model '11s, my '12 SG Deluxe, and my '13LP Std show that same "rushed" type of roughness to the binding edges pictured here.


It's probably best not to think or acknowledge this glaring fact. I still feel for the working folks who save their hard earned money, psyched to buy thier first Gibson only to discover the thick mess of cobwebs behind that thin, thin, thin Gibson veneer.

Man, i think...I think I'm starting to get a bit liberal? Naaa, I just think I care about people.
 

zakkrhoads

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What exactly are file marks? Why do they apply them in the FB? What is this "scratch" in the rosewood?
 

Billielvis

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What exactly are file marks? Why do they apply them in the FB? What is this "scratch" in the rosewood?

Hi - file marks run at right sngles to the fretboard usually, just where the binding is filed back. No idea what the scratch is but I have asked Gibson to confirm if this is part if the aging process - thanks
 

J.D.

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The binding is scraped down above the fretboard and around the fret ends with a plain razor blade.
 

DanD

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Check out a higher-end PRS fretboard some time :jim

I believe you. My McCarty was unbound but a high quality guitar nonetheless. The fret work on that one was excellent. I don't have any in hand experience with high end PRSs. Actually the Superpro was my first fret over binding guitar that wasn't a Gibson. I just thought that was how it was supposed to be until I got the Hamer. :peace2
 

DanD

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The binding is scraped down above the fretboard and around the fret ends with a plain razor blade.

Yeah, that may be the problem then. I saw a Hamer factory video where they were filing the binding down from the sides.

Maybe Gibson needs to change their binding methods. :hmm
 
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