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From 'God' to Rolling Stone Whipping Boy in One Generation

gakees

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We need to stop hating each other- that would be a start.
Well, I certainly agree with you but my wife and I didn't realize we are bigots and racists until this Brek dude told us we were. Suppose you learn something new everyday.
 
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Doc Sausage

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It was inevitable that the vaccine debate - which should have never been a debate at all, because these are not vaccines , they’re lifelong, 4-6 month flu shot boosters,* would have come to the music world. This new article mentions Clapton and RFK have no medical credentials. Then names, Brian May and Gene Simmons, as if though they do. LOeffingL

*apparently your mileage may vary

 
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Ed Driscoll

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EC made the racist comments in the '70s, fifty years ago or so when he was in his 20s.
At the height of the punk/shock rock era, and during the depths of his raging alcoholism, which he completely apologized for in his 2017 documentary, A Life in 12 Bars:

“When I realized what I said, I just was so disgusted with myself. I was so f***ing angry. And I thought, I needed to apologize to the people that I said that to, because it was shocking, and unforgivable, and I was so ashamed of who I was. I was becoming, not only chauvinistic, but fascistic, too. I was kind of a semi-racist – which didn’t make sense. I mean, half of my friends were black. I dated black women. And listened to black music – and championed black music. But it didn’t matter at all. They could all have gone to the wall, as long as I had the bottle. I hated everything – everything.”

Cancel culture apparently has no room for forgiveness to someone who acknowledges he's made a gross mistake and has learned from it.
 

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At the height of the punk/shock rock era, and during the depths of his raging alcoholism, which he completely apologized for in his 2017 documentary, A Life in 12 Bars:



Cancel culture apparently has no room for forgiveness to someone who acknowledges he's made a gross mistake and has learned from it.
Well said. And yes, if you’re on the wrong side of ‘some’ line, stones will cast by those without sin. I must find a way to rejoice in that such deities live among us.
 

erscorcho

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EC is fully vaccinated. He did have very bad reactions to both shots.
Hope the vaccine cured him from being “ boring”😂 saw him these past few years.. boring as hell.. phoning in.. kept giving him a pass.. even became an apologist😂.. boomer bends..boomer songs for boomer fans😎 ha ha
 

rockabilly69

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First off, I've never liked Rolling Stone magazine, but....

Eric Clapton, the only person I've ever walked out on in a concert setting. Why, because he blew, couldn't play half of his solos and was drunk off his ass! And at every televised concert of his that I've seen since, he has bored me to tears. I think getting sober made even him more boring. He doesn't need to be a douche-bag racist or anti-vaxxer, although he most likely is, I lost respect for him a long time ago when he started phoning in every damn solo he plays.

I still like listening to Cream records, some of the Blind Faith tunes, and although I wasn't fond of the Strat tone, I liked his interplay with Duane Allman on the Layla album, but everything he's done since, to me, sounds like elevator music. You come almost predict what note in the box he's going to play next.

Funny thing, at same concert I walked out on, Muddy Waters did one of the most blistering sets I'd ever heard.

Yeah, we all have opinions.
 

corpse

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nd although I wasn't fond of the Strat tone,
I traded the joy i brought to the world as a drunk for sobriety- it does have its' downsides. I am sure EC had his reasons; the upside is huge- being able to look myself in the mirror for one.
That said- these 60-70's artists all seem to really lack the tone they had that made them greats. Their recorded tones-almost as a rule- tend to be very thin and wimpy. Personally, I attribute this to the damage their ears sustained during their 110db heydays and how it impacts the mixing board-decisions they make on recent recordings.
 

LeonC

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I have to say, if you don't like Clapton's strat tone, give Derek and the Dominos at the Fillmore East 1970 concert a listen. That strat into that big, whoopass Dual Showman makes for a pretty compelling sound, IMO.


That's the best he ever sounded on a strat, IMO. But I do agree...it was pretty much downhill from there.
 

rockabilly69

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I have to say, if you don't like Clapton's strat tone, give Derek and the Dominos at the Fillmore East 1970 concert a listen. That strat into that big, whoopass Dual Showman makes for a pretty compelling sound, IMO.


That's the best he ever sounded on a strat, IMO. But I do agree...it was pretty much downhill from there.
That sounded really good!
 

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When I was at Berklee I took an English class with a guy named Jim Harper. He was a great old hippy who had written for Broadside and a bunch of other really great music papers. He hated RS and used to tell a story about all of the publishers agreeing not to take ads from some company because of something (don’t remember what). RS went and got all of the ad money after they said they wouldn’t and a bunch of papers went out of business.

I stopped subscribing in the early 90s when the fashion issue became a thing.

I’m not a huge Clapton fan but no matter what I’ve seen him do his tone has always been great. Even his 80s SLO/Lace tone was monster.

I doubt he cares about what RS says/does.
 
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NO-MAD

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EC had his faults, as we all do. Still think he was overrated. I was always concerned about EC selling out for the almighty dollar. That said
I'd put Rory Gallagher, as far as talent (guitar, mandolin skills) eons ahead of EC. There's also the argument of the "right place, right time"
for EC., plus he always surrounded himself with great musicians.
 

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Alcohol is a beast. It allows a certain amount of creativity, even excellence, if handled with care. I always think of Miles Davis, after years
of great music, he goes the drug route, puts out literally "noise" and everyone thought him a genius. Noise is noise, which if that's the best
you can do, don't call it anything else but.
 
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