• THIS IS THE 25th ANNIVERSARY YEAR FOR THE LES PAUL FORUM! PLEASE CELEBRATE WITH US AND SUPPORT US WITH A DONATION TO KEEP US GOING! We've made a large financial investment to convert the Les Paul Forum to this new XenForo platform, and recently moved to a new hosting platform. We also have ongoing monthly operating expenses. THE "DONATIONS" TAB IS NOW WORKING, AND WE WOULD APPRECIATE ANY DONATIONS YOU CAN MAKE TO KEEP THE LES PAUL FORUM GOING! Thank you!
  • WE HAVE MOVED THE LES PAUL FORUM TO A NEW HOSTING PROVIDER! Let us know how it is going! Many thanks, Mike Slubowski, Admin
  • Please support our Les Paul Forum Sponsors with your business - Gary's Classic Guitars, Wildwood Guitars, Chicago Music Exchange, Reverb.com, Throbak.com and True Vintage Guitar. From personal experience doing business with all of them, they are first class organizations. Thank you!

HB height or closeness to the strings Your experience and preferences.

Joined
Jan 12, 2003
Messages
606
So whether we’re talking Alnico twos thru fives. A couple of other specs… So let’s start off with a approximately a 7.4 K neck and approximately an 8.5 K bridge pickup; and then let’s go with
a Seymour Duncan unit of measurement of say Seth lover or Aunti Magnet Gauss of 20 or a 59 with a Measurement of 45 …:which is basically their, Duncan’s numbers that I have been been provided with… either 20 or a 45. How close do you put them to your strings …. just below Wolf-tones and intonation issues? What does that leave you with the sound that you want… clear .. thick … bright .. fuzzy etc.? Cork sniffing dog eared eloquence pity descriptions welcome.
 

metropolis

Well-known member
Joined
Sep 14, 2018
Messages
496
I adjust by ear and based on the preference of tone I'm going for - a bright neck sound and that means I'm dictated by the neck pickup first. I'll adjust the height of that pickup to maximise the tone I want (usually extract the maximum brightness), which is typically backing it off about as far away from the strings as is possible within the pickup ring. Then, I'll adjust the bridge to give me the right balance in volume based on its output which varies a little by guitar, but with historic pickup rings is usually sitting just above flush (my neck angles are reasonably consistent across 3x LPs) In your example of pickups that will probably be fairly straightforward, but in a guitar I have with T-Tops the bridge is very close to the strings to get the right output. I put less emphasis on the bridge height because I'm less picky about the tone here, it's never too dark and I always have the tone control to help tame it.

What I did notice at the Gibson Garage in London was just how close to the strings all the bridge pickups seemed to be - like really really close. I don't know if that's how they came over from the factory or if there was an in-store tech who had that preference (and honestly there were setup issues on several Custom Shops I played) but it was surprising and not how I set mine up.
 

renderit

Well-known member
Joined
Jan 19, 2009
Messages
11,056
I usually start with the poles pretty close to the top of the pickup and adjust up to the strings until I start to get some 'grit' to the sound.

It just adds to the fulness of the tone.

Then I start raising the pole screws up to get some clarity.

Then I rock the pickup down and poles up or the poles down and pickup up to get a feel for where I like it.

Then I go for more even tone across the strings with the poles.

Pickup down-poles up on many with strong magnets gives you very clear tones.

Underwound pickups often are clear enough with the poles down further.
 

Any Name You Wish

Well-known member
Joined
Apr 15, 2021
Messages
616
I discovered something interesting on this very subject yesterday. That is when I checked for the sound/tone after adjusting a pickup, I noticed a significant difference depending on what fret I am playing on the strings. From an open string, and then moving up the neck playing each string individually I found out why I often go in circles trying to get the best settings for my taste. That's a big "Doh!" From now on I check all strings at many different frets, and then do a full major chord at many frets, and at different volume settings. I give my ears a rest after about 30 minutes. If a string is too quiet or loud relative to the rest, I move the pole screw. I try to avoid the big loud boomy tone and go for woody definition. Typically not far from factory specs, maybe 1/64th one way or the other.

Finally, I don't put a premium on having the pickups perfectly balanced volume-wise. I go for the best sound/tone, and I find that the neck PU usually ends up a little bit quieter than the bridge. I don't mind having to move the volume knob 1/2 tick when changing the PU selector. Playing live and drunk I sometimes forget to do this:)
 

spidey

Well-known member
Joined
Nov 21, 2003
Messages
3,270
I adjusted the height of the Custombuckers in my R9 to those recommended on the Gibson TV vid about adjusting pickup height, here -


(sorry I can't remember the heights they suggested!!!)

They sound great to me.
 
Joined
Jan 12, 2003
Messages
606
Thanks for all the response and so far if I get a chance and there’s anything I can add or ask to any of the post so far I will do it as soon as I get a moment or two keep them coming like I said to the cork sniffing dog ear eloquent or just plain brass tacks experiences and preferences are great
 

Classicplayer

Member
Joined
Feb 6, 2002
Messages
237
I discovered something interesting on this very subject yesterday. That is when I checked for the sound/tone after adjusting a pickup, I noticed a significant difference depending on what fret I am playing on the strings. From an open string, and then moving up the neck playing each string individually I found out why I often go in circles trying to get the best settings for my taste. That's a big "Doh!" From now on I check all strings at many different frets, and then do a full major chord at many frets, and at different volume settings. I give my ears a rest after about 30 minutes. If a string is too quiet or loud relative to the rest, I move the pole screw. I try to avoid the big loud boomy tone and go for woody definition. Typically not far from factory specs, maybe 1/64th one way or the other.

Finally, I don't put a premium on having the pickups perfectly balanced volume-wise. I go for the best sound/tone, and I find that the neck PU usually ends up a little bit quieter than the bridge. I don't mind having to move the volume knob 1/2 tick when changing the PU selector. Playing live and drunk I sometimes forget to do this:)
Similar experience here. The middle position, especially. Both my Les Pauls exhibit quite a difference in playing middle position chords higher up the neck than at the 3rd. fred. The lows seems to have more volume than the unwound strings i.e. 10th fret area. I attribute it to my neck pickups being slightly louder vs. the bridge when played separately. So, I end up making quick neck pup volume knob tweaks on the fly. I've seen Page do similar when switching from middle to neck (usually) and less often when he selects the bridge alone. More than once I've seen him wrestle with the selector switch to be sure it's actually activating both pickups.

One recent “discovery” (for me) was to lower the neck 6th. string side a touch for less lows from the low e-string and raise the A-string pole screw a hair so that both strings exhibit more clarity but when player together still have enough lows. This has served to brighten the middle position up around the 10th. fret area. Now, I find I'm playing more in the middle position than before and enjoying it.

Classicplayer
 

Any Name You Wish

Well-known member
Joined
Apr 15, 2021
Messages
616
Same here with the low E and A string pole height adjustments to bring them a little closer in volume for the middle and neck-only positions. Actually have to do the same with the high E and B (B string being too loud).
 
Top