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Joe B & Zakk Wylde - Crossroads

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yeti

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The piano and harp also did this very well. Also, many of those "great Blues guitar players" were solid vocalists in their own right. Their voices were just as important as the guitar. Now it seems to be "let me hurry and sing these two verses so I can solo for 10 minutes".

Agreed 100%:jim
 

SheltonGuitar

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I stopped counting the number of negative posts after I hit 20. This thread sounds as bad as an A&R know-it-all. If I had a nickel for every off riff I've ever played in front of others in my 30+ years of playing, I'd be in the Bahamas by now.

Two dudes jamming, that's all it is. The rest is fluff.
 

Cogswell

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I stopped counting the number of negative posts after I hit 20. This thread sounds as bad as an A&R know-it-all. If I had a nickel for every off riff I've ever played in front of others in my 30+ years of playing, I'd be in the Bahamas by now.

Two dudes jamming, that's all it is. The rest is fluff.

Exactly. This is the result of every friggin' thing being recorded nowadays. People have no tolerance for fun stuff. It's all got to be polished.
 

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I've posted this before but it seems like an appropriate place to put it. It makes me laugh (in an enjoyable way) everytime I read it. Sorry if it's repetitive.

I came across this from an interview with Zakk Wylde regarding the first time he ever met Les Paul. Thought it was funny...


...I knew he didn't know who the fuck I was when we were sitting up on stage. He goes: "Son, where do I know you from?" And I'm just trying to think what to say, because I know that Les Paul doesn't sit around listening to fuckin' Ozzy and Black Label records. So I just told him: "I got a Les Paul named after me. You know, the Zakk Wylde Les Paul with the bull's-eye?" Because that's the only way he's gonna know who the fuck I am. And he goes: "That's funny, I have a Les Paul named after me too."

:peace2
 

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Well... Neither one of us would want this played at our career Bar Mitzvahs as a this is your life in 6 mins reel. I seemed to have been caught up in the moment, a bit wired on copius amounts of Tylenol cold and flu and showed about as much restraint as Usain Bolt running a 100 meter dash. Zakk has been a guitar idol from before I got into the music business 25 years ago and has done a lot to bring guitar music played on a Gibson Les Paul to kids and a younger generation. This being the Les Paul forum and such. I hope this video does not define a brilliant and legendary career such as Zakk's. It was a blast and he is hellava nice cat.

Is this thing on?

Joe B :peace2


amen
 

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Exactly. This is the result of every friggin' thing being recorded nowadays. People have no tolerance for fun stuff. It's all got to be polished.

Yes, it's a huge problem. It's great for bands who play the same show note-for-note show every night, but for guys who improvise/take chances on stage it sucks. Basically fans expect the artist to be at his most inspired 100% of the time and worse, everything ends up on youtube.

And it's not just the rockers/blues guys who have this issue. Who's a better live improviser than a jazz great like Pat Metheny? And yet, here's Pat talking about how youtube/internet culture is ruining spontaneity and musical risk taking.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jE_AMMv_PQ
 

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Joe is using a gold klon as his overdrive at this time. I will try to be respectful as I can about the video. Zakk has become a major parody of himself. I bet this was a bit of a wake up call to him as his tone was weak to say the least. I won't comment on His playing ........ I'll let the video speak for itself. There is no way he left that night feeling like that went well.

I don't want to come off as a Zakk apologist, but you have to keep in mind, it's Joe's stage. As far as Zakk's tone, he's not using his own rig. It was the same with the Greg Martin, JD vid... You always have to cut the guest players some slack. It's hard to 'beat' someone on their own stage.

Yeah, I agree Zakk's 2nd pass was iffy and out of key (I guess he's been taking blues tips from AC :biggrin:) but who cares? It woulda have been cool/loud/fun in the room, and it's unfortunate every bad note you play ends up on the internet.

The only way to ensure that you never play badly live is to never play live at all...
 

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I think the worst thing about the recording of gigs these days is the sight of almost everybody with one hand clutching a phone, constantly up in the air either taking pictures or filming. A poor atmosphere often results. I'd love to hear the opinions of pro musicians that toured pre and post the mobile phone phenomenon on this.
 

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I think the worst thing about the recording of gigs these days is the sight of almost everybody with one hand clutching a phone.

Don't you think that's one of the worst thing's about everyday life these day's, Nev?
 

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Everyone could take a lesson from the Grateful Dead's playbook, Jerry Garcia's specifically. He dropped more notes that anyone in the history of Rock & Roll, but he really didn't care because he was waiting for THAT ONE moment to appear. And it did- partly beacuse he was that good, & partly because of the law of averages, lol
 

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I don't know why cell phone recording/ youtube vids are so bad. It just increases the audience and some bands have tapers who record every note anyway. Whether there are 2000 people in the audience or 200K, one is giving it their best every show anyway.
 

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I don't know why cell phone recording/ youtube vids are so bad. It just increases the audience and some bands have tapers who record every note anyway. Whether there are 2000 people in the audience or 200K, one is giving it their best every show anyway.

It makes a difference because instead of living in the moment, clapping hands, jumping, dancing and interacting with the band and the rest of the crowd as part of the gig experience they are stood still trying to get a good pic or video. There's no doubt band/audience interaction has an effect on the performer if it didn't live music wouldn't exist.
 

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I never got improvement so fast until I recorded everything and listened to myself. You get to hear yourself as you sound to others, in my case at first that was sounding bad. But I was able to work on the stuff that actually sounded good and discard techniques and phrasing that were never going to sound good. Its the most honest feedback you can get. It pulls you out of the denial fantasyland many guitarists hide in. As a bonus most everything I now play is recordable and I get many great tracks recorded in 1 or 2 takes. That goes for keys and vocals too. Try to record everything you do . Shows and practice .
 

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Right now, but its just a fad that will pass. Its still a novelty. No worse than people talking.
 

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My apologies. Seriously nothing against Zakk and who he is or his accomplishments. :salude
 
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MHGOLDTOP

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look guys, this was just supposed to be a fun jam to have Zakk come sit in, so he didn't play the world's greatest solo that only Clapton could appear to play in many people's eyes...who cares! This is about fun you know. well maybe Clapton would let you all down playing Crossroads in 2013 too. Who knows. But what he did do was show up, jump in the fire, and rocked out. Did he play perfectly? Who cares, he's Zakk Wylde. It is a fact that he is a badass guitarist. He did bring his own rig, he did soundcheck, and he did entertain the crowd. It wasn't meant to be the be all end all of musical statements. He is a down to earth, humble dude to boot. Where I stood his tone was killing.
When all the critics here write something as classic as No More Tears :yah maybe it would be worth hearing such criticism from the minions.

It all can't be gold ya know.
 
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