lets talk about back colors .......

[tripletime]

red brown or amber

 

[clearmudd]

Your using this one filtered photo as the base for your arguement that ALL original gold tops had RED backs?........ did you ignore my suggestion to check out the site burstserial.com where there are over 60 original gold tops to this one bad photo because why? The proof is there, look it up.

 

[clearmudd]

If you notice how RED the back plates are in your photo, they're supposed to be brown. That is a good indication that there is some artificial coloring in that pic.

 

[tripletime]

the photo is accurate

check out that book - you will learn something

(I also suggest you calibrate your monitor )


have fun !

 

[Larry Otis]

I had and played a '57 GT with HB for a few years. It was original. Long time ago but it was definitely a medium kind of brown on the back. Like maybe natural finish that had ambered some. Wish I still had some pics. A 1957 in 1969 wasn't all that old either.We are talking 1969 to 1973 I had it. i have never seen a gold top with a red back.

 

[clearmudd]

the photo is accurate

check out that book - you will learn something

(I also suggest you calibrate your monitor )


have fun !

These are photos of real deal 50s gold tops, three different ones and not one is red. And where is a photo of your red back Historic.

 

[Tom Wittrock]

red brown or amber

Neither. :ganz

Does the floor look red to you? :hmm

 

[Tom Wittrock]

Could it be? :hmm

:troll

:ha

 

[tripletime]

:tw59 Here is the color of my goldtop historic - - if yours has a yellowy amber color then

have fun !

 

[KR1]

the photo is accurate

check out that book - you will learn something

(I also suggest you calibrate your monitor )


have fun !

More than a couple members here are old enough to have seen/owned/played the vintage Goldtops when they were nearly new guitars. Tom is probably one of the most experienced collector/dealers in these guitars on Earth. IOW, you are getting the correct answer to your question over and over (and over). If you don't like the answer and wish to believe something that every other guy who's ever followed Les Pauls, new or old, knows not to be accurate - then just believe it.

What's the point of this?

 

[Pellman73]

More than a couple members here are old enough to have seen/owned/played the vintage Goldtops when they were nearly new guitars. Tom is probably one of the most experienced collector/dealers in these guitars on Earth. IOW, you are getting the correct answer to your question over and over (and over). If you don't like the answer and wish to believe something that every other guy who's ever followed Les Pauls, new or old, knows not to be accurate - then just believe it.

What's the point of this?

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is is it possible you are color blind triple time?

yea arguing w TW about this is like .... arguing w al roker about weather

 

[sws1]

Ok. You're right. It's RED. We're all wrong.

Sorry Tom. Near 50 years of experience has been rendered inadequate to a guy with a calibrated monitor.

 

[lpthomas]

Funny discussion.

I can see where you‘re coming from, tripletime. Looking at original goldtops, the True Historic product imaged definitely seem to be very light in comparison. But to me that is just the same variation as there is on bursts. Many True Historics have a deep red which I don‘t see often on originals. It‘s just different points of the scale.

But I think there are still lots of example pictures of originals where one can clearly see the brown as well as the absence of red. A look inside the back cavities sure help.

http://www.guitarhq.com/lpgold.html

Look at the picture of the output jack.

Edit, this picture: http://www.pinrepair.com/vgi/gibson/56_lespaul_8.jpg

The side appears to be brown. At this angle, the back (on top here) appears to be more reddish. It‘s just the way the color seems to behave at certain angles and in certain lights. The pictures of this 52 here are not really useful imho. The sides and neck of Freddie‘s GT falls victim to the same effect, I think.

If GTs had started out as cherry red, then where are all the bright red and faded backs of such goldtops?

 

[clearmudd]

:tw59 Here is the color of my goldtop historic - - if yours has a yellowy amber color then

have fun !

That's not your guitar?.........You can't take photos of your own guitar?..................that is a dealer photo.... In your first post you claim you have only one Historic and its a '57 reissue this is not a '57 reissue its a '54.

Now i must claim TROLL......HAVE FUNla

 

[renderit]

Recalibrate! But...........reds/red browns/red tans/browns/tans don't photograph well particularly with damn iPhone "good enough" technology. They will induce reds where there are none because oversaturated shit is what people want these days! Everybody wants every picture to be "the balloon launch". Hell, look at TV's! Get yourself an old CRT and adjust it if you want true color, likewise modern cameras pick up what? Hint: 3 colors or none (in truth film has it's limits as well)... Some day I will photograph these with my new camera instead of my POS iPhone and pull the pics and adjust them on my calibrated monitor with my old sensors attached to get you the real deal. And though I say "no reds" below, what are browns primaries? Blue, red, yellow! Of course it matters whether that is by additive or subtractive methods but the result is the same. Your eye is good. Until it is PROVEN that none of us SEE the same. Which I expect...

):
R4 HS 2016 kinda reddish but brown/tan in person.

R4 2015, there are virtually NO reds in this one in person.

R6 HS 2016 Tan/brown. Zero reds.

R6 TH 2015 Tan/brown. Zero reds

R7 2015 Tan/Brown in person with slight reddish hue.

 

[renderit]

As opposed to:

2015 R8

2013 R9

2014 R0

2015 R1 - whoops!

 

[renderit]

P.S. Look at the table colors shift in the pictures. The iPhone keeps trying to bring out REDS. Though, the walls are all dark red which does not help I'm sure. I swear the table does not change colors. It sits in a dark room waiting for another photo op...

 

[renderit]

P.P.S. Unless you were talking about MY back colors which depends in the light and whether it is braided or combed out! I have decorative corn-rows on it now! A fine reddish blonde!

 

[Tom Wittrock]

Ok. You're right. It's RED. We're all wrong.

Sorry Tom. Near 50 years of experience has been rendered inadequate to a guy with a calibrated monitor.

All I have is a calibrated hammer set.

Here's #3 ... :##

 

[tripletime]

That's not your guitar?.........You can't take photos of your own guitar?..................that is a dealer photo.... In your first post you claim you have only one Historic and its a '57 reissue this is not a '57 reissue its a '54.

Now i must claim TROLL......HAVE FUNla

all I was saying was MY historic has a back color the same as the vintage example shown

what prompted the post was I was reading the book and noticed that every photo taken of a Goldtop when it was relatively new - showed a brownish color with a small red tint

I then recall seeing the back color of historics being all over the place including a real light amber color and a yellowish color

I presented the web page to Gibsons own site - showing a light yellow back and a link to a true historic which had a YELLOW back

perhaps they all just have clear coats and I am seeing mahogany - which varies from yellowish to reddish brown ?



and a google search of the mahogany Gibson now uses yielded:

"Fijian Mahogany is a ​

non-endangered timber grown in sustainable plantations on the tropical islands of Fiji. It has a straight grain and is usually free of voids and pockets.

The reddish-brown color, which darkens overtime, has a beautiful reddish sheen when polished."

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