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Microdoses of LSD

greg-delta

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I'm not entirely sure that we took micro-doses.
Is 500 micrograms considered a micro-dose?

500 micrograms of todays lsd is practically a brain-melting and potentially harmful dose that can seriously do damage

A standard dose is about 100-120 micrograms

Microdosing is about 5 or 10
 

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It's also how a lot of kids party these days... or so I'm told.

as a "kid" (I was born in 89) I've found most people in my age group and younger to be much more into pills like Xanax, MDMA and oxys, unfortunately.
 

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Always been a bit suspicious of the spiritual experience brigade in AA...personally speaking, before I got any sort of spiritual awakening, I got a whole fookin bunch of rude awakenings....

that's part of it. it's impossible to be a hyperintelligent super-conscious being without knowing the pain with the joy, the black and the white.

that's what that whole jesus story was about

you can't be a god without experiencing pain, evil, anger, etc.
 

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Well the cases/situations may not be typical for a lot of the people that have taken it and these guys may have had issues before even using it. But look at what it did to Syd Barrette,Peter Green,Jeremy Spencer,Skip Spence,possibly Roky Erickson to name just a few.

Like any drug, it is to be administered and taken with proper supervision and in conjunction with medical (or psychiatric) consultation.

I'm not sure their specific issues, but LSD likely exacerbated problems they already had inside (if LSD did anything to them at all).

there are no bad drugs, only bad circumstances.
 

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Life is highs AND lows. If the lows are too low, professional counseling is available - without those "zombifying" psychoactive traditional meds.
The idea of trying to self-medicate any troublesome mental issues with an extremely powerful, illegal "street drug" should be a non-starter. You've seen the famous casualties listed above. I wouldn't trust anybody's word on what's a "micro-dose," unless it was part of an actual clinical trial.

there is an entire subculture of scientists, psychologists, chemists, etc who are documenting and studying this stuff. the internet can be a beautiful place. Science doesn't need an FDA stamp to be valid, nor do people's personal experiences with a substance need outside validation.

by definition, a microdose is 5-10 micrograms, a "sub-perceptible" dose

extremely powerful, illegal "street drug" should be a non-starter.

your stigma of the drug, ironically, is why clinical trials are a pipe dream. the government is filled with old farts who thing LSD is a "harmful street drug", and put it as a schedule I substance.

It is a drug, sure. All drugs can be "harmful" and have potential for abuse. Opiates are way, way worse and massively more impactful on the human body and mind than LSD is, and nobody says anything about that. Doctors hand them out like M&Ms

LSD on the other hand has no addictive tendencies, for one
 
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Saw this thread and wanted to ask a question. Is it truth that LSD can cause grave mental problems and even death? It's not like I'm a saint - I smoke weed sometimes, and I use CBD when I need a nice deep sleep. I buy CBD online in the form of gummies. Best form of CBD in the world, BTW. On the other, hand, I don't use other drug compared substances. I've heard from my friends that LSD is a bad stuff. Maybe they're wrong, maybe not, IDK. So tell me now, people - can LSD usage cause problems?

normal LSD doses don't CAUSE anything.

People call LSD an "amplifier" because it kind of just amplifies (or can amplify) what's already in your head. While it can be good for depression, it can also exacerbate symptoms of it, that's what a bad trip is, though some would say bad trips are actually blessings in disguise

Because it's an "amplifier", context, setting and surroundings are massively important when taking the drug. Good music, a familiar calming setting, being surrounded by loved ones, this kind of stuff is what's important for getting a good mindset.

I've battled depression for a few years now, after every LSD dose, I have felt so grateful for my life and felt intense, indescribable love for people in my life.

However, it is a drug, and like ANY DRUG it can be harmful when abused. You can die from drinking if you drink too much or have a pre-existing medical condition, LSD or any drug is the same way.

In the right setting and surroundings, a normal 100 microgram dose can be amazing. at worst you see some cool colors and stuff and at best you meet God (or Gods, I guess). But like any drug, the more you do, the more you risk harming yourself. 300 micrograms in a pretty heavy dose, when you get beyond that, you're getting into risky territory
 

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Syd Barrett, Brian Wilson, and Brian Jones would seem to confirm that hypothesis. Ian MacDonald's 2007 book on the Beatles' songwriting, A Revolution in the Head discusses how John Lennon became thisclose to becoming an acid casualty due to the hundreds of mid-'60s trips he took, before meeting Yoko and switching his obsession from LSD to her.

John Lennon already had mental issues prior to LSD. He was a very dark person, and whatever shitty impure LSD you guys were getting back then was the issue, not the drug
 

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John Lennon already had mental issues prior to LSD. He was a very dark person, and whatever shitty impure LSD you guys were getting back then was the issue, not the drug


John had Owsley Acid. So it was as of high or higher quality than of what Sandoz made.
He even compared it with Albert Hofman who agreed it was the purest he had seen.

There are books to no end on the Subject.
One would be one of Owsley's lovers and lab partner.
Rhoney Gissen Stanley

https://www.amazon.com/Owsley-Me-My-LSD-Family/dp/0983358931
 

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John had Owsley Acid. So it was as of high or higher quality than of what Sandoz made.
He even compared it with Albert Hofman who agreed it was the purest he had seen.

There are books to no end on the Subject.
One would be one of Owsley's lovers and lab partner.
Rhoney Gissen Stanley

https://www.amazon.com/Owsley-Me-My-LSD-Family/dp/0983358931


That's kind of my point. People who beat their wives have issues and shouldn't be doing acid lol
 

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there is an entire subculture of scientists, psychologists, chemists, etc who are documenting and studying this stuff. the internet can be a beautiful place. Science doesn't need an FDA stamp to be valid, nor do people's personal experiences with a substance need outside validation.

by definition, a microdose is 5-10 micrograms, a "sub-perceptible" dose



your stigma of the drug, ironically, is why clinical trials are a pipe dream. the government is filled with old farts who thing LSD is a "harmful street drug", and put it as a schedule I substance.

It is a drug, sure. All drugs can be "harmful" and have potential for abuse. Opiates are way, way worse and massively more impactful on the human body and mind than LSD is, and nobody says anything about that. Doctors hand them out like M&Ms

LSD on the other hand has no addictive tendencies, for one

Actually clinical trials are underway (mainly with psilocybin) to treat PTSD. I’m all for it.
But to say it’s ME stigmatizing a street drug is ludicrous. You have no idea what the dose is in a blotter or pill (or even if what you’re buying is indeed LSD — much less what the purity is). And there’s ample evidence it’s harmed some talented minds.
 

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Actually clinical trials are underway (mainly with psilocybin) to treat PTSD. I’m all for it.
But to say it’s ME stigmatizing a street drug is ludicrous. You have no idea what the dose is in a blotter or pill (or even if what you’re buying is indeed LSD — much less what the purity is). And there’s ample evidence it’s harmed some talented minds.


Of course you do. LSD testing kits are easy to obtain (if you know the right channels), and the marketplace is pretty great at self-regulating. Guys who sell shitty product just lose all business. The guy I get my stuff from has a reputation for purity and quality from literally thousands of customers. When you buy Advil or beer you don't have any idea of the purity or content either. Same with literally everything you put into your body...beef at the grocery store, shots, whatever

Of course, you're an adult, you can make decisions on what to trust or not trust as you see fit. But your apprehensions aren't the drug's fault, but the fault of shitty people. Like if you go to Joey-Joe's Burgers and you get food poisoning, you wouldn't just never eat meat again right? You just wouldn't patronize that establishment.

As for harming talented minds, IDK you'd have to prove that Syd Barret didn't already have pre-existing psychological issues.

There's no such thing as bad drugs, just bad circumstances. Set and setting are massively important for any drug from alcohol to weed to DMT. If peter green was already having issues, and was in a bad place, and was taking it in unknown doses without proper clairty of mind or research into it, LSD definitely could have made that worse.
 

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what's weird about it? knowledge and self-awareness should do the OPPOSITE of weird you out lol

anyway, I've done psychedelics many times (LSD is my favorite, but I've also done a little mess around with psilocybin, ecstasy (omg that an amazing substance) and DMT), regular acid doses have created mind-changing religious experiences for me. I saw (felt? heard?) God/angels/whatever

I tried microdosing LSD and it actually didn't do much. The entire point is to do 1/20 or 1/10 of a "perceptible" dose. you basically don't feel it, nothing happens to you, it just allows some parts of your brain communicate with each other better.

The problem with doing it in a lab in a controlled room are two fold

1) Timothy Leary basically single-handedly stigmatized the drug and the government and the mass populace are scared and miseducated about it, so getting govt approval for research is very difficult (this goes for all psychs)

2) LSD has such wildly varying effects on every person differently. everyone has a different tolerance, everyone has different reaction to stimulous and brain chemistry, so documenting things like control groups etc are very very difficult. most drugs have a standardized documentation of effects. it's basically known how (by and large) the mind and body react to nicotine, alcohol, THC, cocaine, whatever. LSD is not like that at all. It's hard to formally study it becuse everyone has a different experience.

psychedelics are a true miracle, everyone should try them. The world would be a much better, civilized place.

If you have to take something that COULD make to go permanently insane to gain "knowledge/self-awareness" maybe you really aren't getting knowledge/self-awareness. Maybe you are just getting fucked up. There is no express lane to that Greg. It takes time and commitment.
 

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If you have to take something that COULD make to go permanently insane to gain "knowledge/self-awareness" maybe you really aren't getting knowledge/self-awareness. Maybe you are just getting fucked up. There is no express lane to that Greg. It takes time and commitment.


it also takes proper tools, in this case medications.

some would make the case that mental illness or difficulty (things like depression or anxiety) is derived from inability to gain self awareness (not sure if I buy that theory personally). The brain is a complicated machine, people use all kinds of things to cope or understand it, from books to drugs.

im not saying it’s a cure all, there’s no such thing. But it can and does help people when used properly

lsd can’t make you permanently insane. It can exacerbate already-present conditions, but it doesn’t make you “permenantly” insane, nor is it a “I’m just getting fucked up” kind of drug. It’s not like beer or cocaine

like any drug (and drug use) proper education and administration is key. If you’re using any drug to just get high, obviously that’s abuse and can cause harm. That goes for any substance even food for fuck sake.

Do you apply the same stigma to medical/prescription pain killers, antidepressants, or things like weed or beer or cigarettes as you do to lsd? What about cheeseburgers and fried chicken?
 

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The Army concluded that Jerry Garcia was not military material. It’s somewhat ironic that he later went on to achieve the full rank of Captain Trips
 

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Just out of curiosity, what counts as a microdose? I don't know or even remember the dose I took back in college. Are there different effects between a regular dose and a microdose? I only took it once and it felt weird. Or maybe that was not LSD that I took as advertised by my friend. How much of a gamble to your life is to take more than the regular dose? Do you just get a really bad trip or you could really get hurt? Just asking for a friend.:2cool
 

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as much as I loved mushrooms, LSD is much more of an unpredictable drug .. for a good dose of knowledge I would highly recommend reading .. Memoirs of an ADDICTED BRAIN .. A Neuroscientist Examines His Former Life on Drugs .. MARC LEWIS, PhD
 

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Zombie LSD thread.

But these days.

I get high on the real 'thang.

Powerful gasoline.

A clean windshield.

And a shoe shine.
 
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Zombie LSD thread.

But these days.

I get high on the real 'thang.

Powerful gasoline.

A clean windshield.

And a shoe shine.

Sounds like an idea! I'll have to try shoe polish sometime soon.:jim

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