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Montrose vs. Moore---Literally!!!

LHakim

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Yes he is and if I'd read that complaint more carefully I wouldn't have started this thread. Sorry lpnv59:dang
 

58Lover

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If true (and it certainly seems to be pretty well documented by these papers), Gary seems to have been quite the git.
 

Don

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This topic has been discussed here routinely over the years. A search should yield pics.
 

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I assume there are some lawyers around here....can Ronnie succesfully reclaim his burst if Gary bought it without knowing that the guitar had been stolen (long before he purchased it)?

If you are a bona fide buyer of goods here that later turn out to be stolen, the original owner cannot get those goods back. He only can sue the seller (provided he/she actually knew about the theft) for damages.
 

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I sat on the fence with Stripe (9 2227) even though I fell in love with playing it. I was just about to give in and buy it too. I used it at an Arlington dealer saturday nite jam. It sounded special and I went in on sunday morning and Tom broke the news that it was sold to a UK dealer. I was pretty disappointed...oh well! I had forgotten that I originally tried to trade up from the Perryburst. By the next show 6 months later, I had sold the Perryburst and had some money that was earmarked for financing a band project. Whats ironic to me is, had I bought it, J Geils surely would have recognized it as Ronnies stolen burst. I'm aquainted with J personally and he sold Stripe to Ronnie originally. Small world indeed.. Shortly after I missed out buying Stripe, I played an awards show in Boston where members of J Geils band were in the audience. I would have certainly been playing it and the top on it is very striking & distinctive. I'm sure it would have been recognized as the one. Woulda, coulda, shoulda turns into a huge bullit dodge.......wheew!!!:)
 
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Stow

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Anyone know what Mr Moore thinks about all this?
 
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Dire Wolf

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That's some interesting reading; what are the statute of limitations, if any, in a case like this? What is the extent of the damage to the guitar? Go Ronnie!!!!!:dude:
 

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Far as I know, its Ronnie's guitar. Now we'll see the real Moore.:lol

CT.
 

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Michael Indelicato was telling me a couple of years of years ago that he knew where Montrose's burst ended up. He was (is?) filming a documentary about guitar collecting, and at the time his plans were to show up with a camera crew in England and try to get it back on camera as the highlight of the film-
 

Mike Shaw

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"Michael Indelicato was telling me a couple of years of years ago that he knew where Montrose's burst ended up"

Whoaaaaaa .... should we be naming names? If MI was aware of where it was and that it was indeed stolen, couldn't he be made part of the lawsuit if desired?
 

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Very interesting indeed....I think my favorite was the quote taken from the Forum with ":dude" quoted as well :biggrin:
 

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"Michael Indelicato was telling me a couple of years of years ago that he knew where Montrose's burst ended up"

Whoaaaaaa .... should we be naming names? If MI was aware of where it was and that it was indeed stolen, couldn't he be made part of the lawsuit if desired?

Did you read the document? :wah
His name is mentioned several times.

I find that document amazingly simplistic [I expecte the legalese to make it hard to follow] and I am also surprised that they claim it wasn't until 2007 that they knew that Gary had it.
This was pretty common knowledge before that. :hmm
 

Jeffrec

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Did you read the document? :wah
His name is mentioned several times.
I am also surprised that they claim it wasn't until 2007 that they knew that Gary had it.
This was pretty common knowledge before that. :hmm


That's probably when he can "officially/legally" say he had proof that GM had it.

I saw Ronnie play that guitar with Edgar Winter's band. An amazing sounding guitar...but then Ronnie can make a broomstick with wire attached sound good.
 

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Did you read the document? :wah
His name is mentioned several times.

I find that document amazingly simplistic [I expecte the legalese to make it hard to follow] and I am also surprised that they claim it wasn't until 2007 that they knew that Gary had it.
This was pretty common knowledge before that. :hmm
Exactly what TW said... That Montrose only found out in 2007 that GM had his guitar..The fact that Gary had sold Greeny for an alleged million dollars had nothing to do with any of this I suppose??
All I can say is good luck to Ronnie and Gary even toured with 9-2227 last on the After Hours tour playing gigs in California and NY, at the Beacon theater, which I attended.
My opinion, for what it's worth, is let sleeping dogs lie..it is a remarkable sounding guitar, Gary has certainly used it to good effect. Sure I feel bad for Ronnie, he did nothing wrong, other than wait too long to PRAY for it's return...??? The legalese wording using the word pray repeatedly, I personally find disturbing.
Gary should be allowed to keep it after this amount of time and the persons who knew about the guitar before it was sold to the UK, should have some responsibility?
yngwie308
 

lpnv59

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Exactly Gary should be allowed to keep it after this amount of time and the persons who knew about the guitar before it was sold to the UK, should have some responsibility?
yngwie308

:lol The above statement makes absolutely no sense. Everyone else who innocently bought and sold 9 2227 in good faith are responsible prior to Garys purchase? Yet Gary, in your judgement still gets to simply keep it without any repercussions?? Why???

Montrose has never stopped with his efforts in getting his burst back. I believe this make a legal difference with regard to statutes of limitations. LPF lawyers I'm sure will correct me if I got that wrong. But, its not like as soon as bursts became worth 5-6 figures, he suddenly started to miss having his. This has been an ongoing and very genuine search & recovery effort on RM's part since day one. AFAIK, he has full documentation including police reports to make a legal claim. The big question is what can be done internationally. I would suppose that if he wins in the San Francisco court system, he at least could financially garnish or freeze royalties from GM's american publishing and record companies as well as future concert proceeds earned in the US. Don't look for GM to play on this side of the pond any time soon. If he does he no doubt will leave Stripe home.
 

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That's my opinion, which absolutely means nothing in this case, the same as yours..:)
I have gotten in enough trouble over bursts lately so it's none of my business, just an open forum here.
I did list the document on Gary's fan forum Lord of the Strings where I post, and hope he learns of this.
lpnv59 I have no arguement with you personally and indeed remember contributing to a LPF thread awhile back concerning Stripe and asking about Ronnie's claim to the guitar..
The fact that Gary returned to the States for the shows he did, as I mentioned, he certainly wouldn'y have brought the guitar back across the international borders if it was being actively legally pursued in the States??
yngwie308
 
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