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Murphy Lab Loose Tuners

DScott

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Anyone experiencing loose tuners on their Murphy lab guitars? Feels like when you tune the string up or down (especially up) you have to turn it a very loose quarter turn or so before it catches. I haven’t thought much of it, but I had a 57 Murphy lab gold top light aged that had the issue with just one of the tuning pegs. The dealer ended up sending me a replacement, and I switched it out no problem, but now I have a Wildwood spec, heavy aged 58 and it seems like most of the tuners do this. Anyone else noticing this issue?
 

garywright

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unlike the original klusons they now contain some plastic internally rather than all steel .perhaps the aging loosened the tautness (?)
 

Gino753

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It might actually be the Plastic Key , spinning around the shaft before it catches?
 

DScott

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unlike the original klusons they now contain some plastic internally rather than all steel .perhaps the aging loosened the tautness (?)
Good point but I’m surprised it would’ve made it past final inspection that way. Although unless their hand tuning they probably wouldn’t catch it.
 

CAGinLA

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Anyone experiencing loose tuners on their Murphy lab guitars? Feels like when you tune the string up or down (especially up) you have to turn it a very loose quarter turn or so before it catches. I haven’t thought much of it, but I had a 57 Murphy lab gold top light aged that had the issue with just one of the tuning pegs. The dealer ended up sending me a replacement, and I switched it out no problem, but now I have a Wildwood spec, heavy aged 58 and it seems like most of the tuners do this. Anyone else noticing this issue?
I do have that issue on my ML 335 but not on my ML R8.
 

Wizard1183

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unlike the original klusons they now contain some plastic internally rather than all steel .perhaps the aging loosened the tautness (?)
Wow! Internal plastic? So go cheap but sell at a higher price? That’s pathetic any guitar tuner has plastic parts internally. But a high-end Gibson having it? That’s pathetic.
 

John550

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Wow! Internal plastic? So go cheap but sell at a higher price? That’s pathetic any guitar tuner has plastic parts internally. But a high-end Gibson having it? That’s pathetic.
So if klusons is making them different , its Gibsons fault . ok got it .
 

Dave P

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I just picked up a new R8 a couple days ago, and the B string Kluson has a quarter turn of play. Kind of disappointing. If I have to buy new tuners, I'm going with Gotoh.
 

bluesky636

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unlike the original klusons they now contain some plastic internally rather than all steel .perhaps the aging loosened the tautness (?)
What could possibly be plastic on the inside? There's a worm gear, spur gear, and a screw, all mounted on a metal plate with a metal cover. Do you have photos of a disassembled turner to prove your statement or is this an "I heard that ..." claim?
 

markguitar

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ALL of the reissue Kluson tuners have been loose on all of the reissues. Has nothing to do with Murphy Lab process. Some are worse than others. The issue is build quality. A number of years ago WD Music bought the rights to Kluson and moved production from Japan to their “Ping” tuner facility in Taiwan. Ping tuners are cheap replacements. The reissue Klusons now have Ping stamped into the underside of them. The older “Gibson Deluxe” double line tuners and original reissue Klusons were being made by Gotoh.
 

garywright

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heated nylon ( inner washer) = not good ..I’ve experienced this first hand when putting “upgraded”keystones on recent tuners and afterwards having free spinning shafts that were once taunt
 
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bluesky636

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heated nylon ( inner washer) = not good ..I’ve experienced this first hand when putting “upgraded”keystones on recent tuners and afterwards having free spinning shafts that were once taunt
So what were the washers made of previously?
 

garywright

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Do you have photos of a disassembled turner to prove your statement or is this an "I heard that ..." claim?
you want “proof” from me ? 😂..it is what it is ..you care to “prove” me wrong ? go for it
 
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