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New Gibson Les Paul that was a Factory Error

wmachine

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Geeze, it's a MF fsr blowout. Called a Satin model cause it plays smoooooth. The flippin specs call for GLOSS finish on body and neck. Good deal but gotta read the details
I'm sorry you're so pissed off at the world, but before you go off on someone, you may want to look further. The gloss in the specs is wrong. Gibson has never called anything satin that wasn't satin finish. The pics show a satin finish and the price is for satin finish. And if you read everything he said, Gibson confirmed it was supposed to be satin. So you can stop making up facts about why it is called satin.
Not the first time GC/MF models have had wrong info in the specs. In fact they've had wrong info in the specs for their Trad Pros for years including my 2015.
 

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Musician's Friend and GC alike are a train wreck with names and models. There is a Flame Top / Gloss version of
this model that goes for $2700 - perhaps the OP's guitar was mislabled as the cheaper satin one?
 

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Honestly as far as the OP's guitar goes - it's a cool story, but I doubt it would increase the value at all from the stock, "correct" version of the guitar.
value is an equation of rarity and desirability. You have the rarity, but there's no more desirability than any other new Les Paul.
If you like it and how it plays, keep it and play the poop out of it. If not, return it for something else.
 

immarkslater

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Geeze, it's a MF fsr blowout. Called a Satin model cause it plays smoooooth. The flippin specs call for GLOSS finish on body and neck. Good deal but gotta read the details
It is supposed to be a satin finish guitar. look at the pictures, its a typo in the description on MF's website. All the pictures are satin finish. When I got it MF confirmed its supposed to be satin. Gibson confirmed that it is supposed to be a satin finish. All the info I listed in my original post was directly from Gibson. Also Guitar Center sells them and everyone I've seen in store has been an all satin finish. The guitar received the wrong finish from the factory. Gibson confirmed it, said its 1 of about 10. Whether or not it increases the value a little, significantly, or none is why I posted the question on this website.
 

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It is a cool guitar, and a lot of guitar for the money. Asymmetrical neck profile with a compound radius fret board. Electronics that are mostly based off of the high performance version Les Paul, and modern weight relief. It plays great and feels great. I do normally go for a satin finish because they seem to age nicer and feel better as new, but I don't have an issue with the one I got. If it is was worth more than what I paid, I would sell it if I could replace it with a satin finish and pocket a profit. If its not really worth any more than a satin finish one, I'll just keep it because it is something that no one else will have.
 

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If it is not a Flame Top Trad Pro 5, and a plain top Pro 5 - there is not difference in the finish - just more time on the buffing wheel.
Nothing anyone can't do at home by hand. Also there was the Trad Pro 4 - short lived run with a full gloss finish.
 

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It says gloss finish you got gloss. No matter how hard you try to make it into some pumped up wonder you can make dough off. It was buffed. Enjoy it or send it back but spare the sales pitch.
 

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It says gloss finish you got gloss. No matter how hard you try to make it into some pumped up wonder you can make dough off. It was buffed. Enjoy it or send it back but spare the sales pitch.
The guitar is supposed to be a satin finish. Since you seem to know so much about it, go to your local guitar center and pick one up. You will see they are not gloss they are indeed satin. In addition to that you will see that the satin finish version of this also has no, or very little grain filler between coats in the finish, and looks very different from a gloss guitar. Also I've seen satin finish guitars that have been polished, and they always look like satin finished guitars that have been polished. Very easy to tell the difference between a satin finish that has been polished, and one that is full gloss from the factory. My original post was not for you to determine whether or not guitar was supposed to be gloss or satin, it was to help me determine the value of something that Gibson themselves have identified as a factory oops, and in their words, not mine should have never left the factory. In addition, Gibson again, not me, is stating this is 1 of only about 10 guitars they know of that has ever left the factory with the completely wrong finish. It is very likely that this is the only traditional pro 5 satin iced tea burst in existence with a factory gloss finish. Again... what I really want to know is if anyone knows of any other factory "oops" guitars like this, and if it really is 1 of about 10 to ever leave Gibson like this, what would it be worth?
 

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Here are some pictures of what I received.
 

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Here is what it is supposed to look like
 

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Big Al

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The guitar is supposed to be a satin finish. Since you seem to know so much about it, go to your local guitar center and pick one up. You will see they are not gloss they are indeed satin. In addition to that you will see that the satin finish version of this also has no, or very little grain filler between coats in the finish, and looks very different from a gloss guitar. Also I've seen satin finish guitars that have been polished, and they always look like satin finished guitars that have been polished. Very easy to tell the difference between a satin finish that has been polished, and one that is full gloss from the factory. My original post was not for you to determine whether or not guitar was supposed to be gloss or satin, it was to help me determine the value of something that Gibson themselves have identified as a factory oops, and in their words, not mine should have never left the factory. In addition, Gibson again, not me, is stating this is 1 of only about 10 guitars they know of that has ever left the factory with the completely wrong finish. It is very likely that this is the only traditional pro 5 satin iced tea burst in existence with a factory gloss finish. Again... what I really want to know is if anyone knows of any other factory "oops" guitars like this, and if it really is 1 of about 10 to ever leave Gibson like this, what would it be worth?
You just want it too be sooo valuable. It ain't. Some Studios in 90's had ebony boards instead of rosewood and they go for the same dough. Several people who know have answerd you, insignificant, meaningless, no added value. Still you keep beating your chest claiming it does.

You bought a big box fsr made to sell for low dough. Not worth more than you paid, and not even that used. You got your answer many times, so give it up and play the fippin thing or send it back.
 

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You just want it too be sooo valuable. It ain't. Some Studios in 90's had ebony boards instead of rosewood and they go for the same dough. Several people who know have answerd you, insignificant, meaningless, no added value. Still you keep beating your chest claiming it does.

You bought a big box fsr made to sell for low dough. Not worth more than you paid, and not even that used. You got your answer many times, so give it up and play the fippin thing or send it back.
I also will add that I bet there are far more oops instruments that leave Nashville in perfect working order that we will never know and the only issue is the wording on the packing carton label or in the paper work . Which when you really drill down it is a perfectly built Gibson that is just mislabeled , and the beauty of that is that sometimes the consumer makes out like a bandit as when they open the packing carton they have "this" versus "that" . Much ado about nothing !
 

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The guitar is supposed to be a satin finish. Since you seem to know so much about it, go to your local guitar center and pick one up. You will see they are not gloss they are indeed satin. In addition to that you will see that the satin finish version of this also has no, or very little grain filler between coats in the finish, and looks very different from a gloss guitar. Also I've seen satin finish guitars that have been polished, and they always look like satin finished guitars that have been polished. Very easy to tell the difference between a satin finish that has been polished, and one that is full gloss from the factory. My original post was not for you to determine whether or not guitar was supposed to be gloss or satin, it was to help me determine the value of something that Gibson themselves have identified as a factory oops, and in their words, not mine should have never left the factory. In addition, Gibson again, not me, is stating this is 1 of only about 10 guitars they know of that has ever left the factory with the completely wrong finish. It is very likely that this is the only traditional pro 5 satin iced tea burst in existence with a factory gloss finish. Again... what I really want to know is if anyone knows of any other factory "oops" guitars like this, and if it really is 1 of about 10 to ever leave Gibson like this, what would it be worth?
Just some advice here. Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig.
 

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I also will add that I bet there are far more oops instruments that leave Nashville in perfect working order that we will never know and the only issue is the wording on the packing carton label or in the paper work . Which when you really drill down it is a perfectly built Gibson that is just mislabeled , and the beauty of that is that sometimes the consumer makes out like a bandit as when they open the packing carton they have "this" versus "that" . Much ado about nothing !
Exactly. And that is exactly what happened to me as told in post #13.
 

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So if Gibson makes a limited run of say 50 guitars, they're valuable because there will only ever be 50 of them in existence. Something that is 1 of maybe 10, and should not exist has no real added value? Seems like it should be worth more than the $1899 the satin version retails for simply because of the added cost to produce a guitar with a gloss finish. I find it hard to believe that it doesn't add any value.
List it on E-Bay or CL and see what you get then. I certainly wouldn't equate this to an official Factory Run Limited Edition. It was a production mistake. IMO, at best, it's worth the price of the equivalent "official" gloss version. The crooked tuner/inlay flaw/finish flaw/low pick guard bracket gouging versions weren't worth any more money! 😄
 

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I remember one twat on Ebay was, for years, trying to sell a SG Celebrity which had a rosewood neck instead of ebony. He was asking well over $10k for a $1,500 dollar guitar (at the time). :rolleyes:
 

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Going back to the original post since it seems we have gotten way off track. In my original post after the back story for how I got the guitar, and explaining that Gibson has confirmed it should not have left the factory that way; I ask two questions:

1. Gibson claims this is rare, Is it rare? Can anyone provide evidence of another one leaving the factory with the wrong finish?

I'm not talking about poor craftsmanship, I'm looking for things like the guitar I ordered is supposed to be red, but for some reason its green. I called Gibson and they confirmed it's supposed to be red and have no idea how a guitar that is supposed to be red, but was green made it out of the factory.

2. Once we establish whether or not this is as rare as Gibson claims, does it add any value?


Please do not try to convince me that it is supposed to be gloss, or that it is a satin finish that has been polished. Gibson has already confirmed the it has the wrong finish.
 

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I can't stress enough, the "does it add value" part is secondary. There is no way anyone can even assess the value, if we don't know how many examples of something like this exist. I really want to know who else out there has something similar. Like most of you reading this, I find it hard to believe that there are only about 10 examples of something like to have ever left the Gibson factory.
 
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"............... In addition, Gibson again, not me, is stating this is 1 of only about 10 guitars they know of that has ever left the factory with the completely wrong finish. It is very likely that this is the only traditional pro 5 satin iced tea burst in existence with a factory gloss finish. "

If you believe their 1 in 10 story, then I have some prime real estate in Florida to sell you if you're interested....! 😂😂😂 LP's are production guitars pumped out of their factory by the thousands/week. Their production screw ups would occur on a daily basis, and are certainly not a "rare" occurrence. Just tell them you want $50,000 for it or you're going to go to the press with your story! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
 
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