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Oh boy ..... I have heard there are problems with the Murphy labs.

amorrow

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Yea I haven’t played a non-ML 2021, but others have said theirs feel the same as prior year Historics. And I can say that the lacquer on my two MLs feels completely different than my older historics from 2020 (VOS), 2019 (gloss) and prior. Checking aside, the ML finish feels significantly harder and I can clearly feel the difference just running my fingernail over it.
 

6L6

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This is my gut feeling as I have no evidence but I think Gibson Custom is using the same Nitro on both the Murphy Labs as regular Gibson Custom . I have a hard time believing there are 2 different types of formula for the clear coat Nitro ? As far as the area goes I also believe this is where the contact happens between the interior lining of the case and the bottom end of the instrument which then makes contact with the lining and the mahogany .
“The guitars themselves are basically just Historic reissues”, he reveals, “so every guitar in our Murphy Lab collection is the same as our regular ’59 Standard, with hide-glue neck and body joints. The only thing that’s going to differ is the lacquer and level of ageing."
- Mat Koehler
 

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“The guitars themselves are basically just Historic reissues”, he reveals, “so every guitar in our Murphy Lab collection is the same as our regular ’59 Standard, with hide-glue neck and body joints. The only thing that’s going to differ is the lacquer and level of ageing."
- Mat Koehler
"Proprietary lacquer formula " that is open for discussion ? Anyone care to elaborate as to what that means ?
 

amorrow

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I have absolutely no idea what that means. I just know the lacquer on both of my MLs feels different than all Historics I’ve owned and played prior.
 

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There's definitely something going on, that for Gibson is unique to the Murphy Lab line. For anyone who's played a new Murphy Lab, the finish is undoubtedly different and I haven't seen this on any non-ML. I can vouch that the problem appears to be only the cherry finish, and the flaking is most prevalent on the sides in areas near the strap pins. Both my 54 and 59 heavy aged arrived without noticeable flaking, but my 59 has begun to flake whereas the 54 with lighter back doesn't show a bit of it.

Here's the 59. LOVE this M2M with some Page #1 specs including the neck profile with the nicest feel and perfectly rolled binding, and I don’t want any sanding/refinish to change it. So I'm reluctant to send it in for repair, and will maybe do it only if the flaking/lifting worsens. You can see how the checking appears consistent with freezer method aside from the actual lifting that's visible near the strap pin and jack plate....similar areas to others shown. If you can't see the difference between the "defective" areas and intentional checking, I don't know what to tell you.

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I love your ML. Finish issues or not, lmk if you every get tired of that sweet thing.
 

Wise Guy

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"There's definitely something going on, that for Gibson is unique to the Murphy Lab line. For anyone who's played a new Murphy Lab, the finish is undoubtedly different and I haven't seen this on any non-ML. I can vouch that the problem appears to be only the cherry finish, and the flaking is most prevalent on the sides in areas near the strap pins. Both my 54 and 59 heavy aged arrived without noticeable flaking, but my 59 has begun to flake whereas the 54 with lighter back doesn't show a bit of it.

Here's the 59. LOVE this M2M with some Page #1 specs including the neck profile with the nicest feel and perfectly rolled binding, and I don’t want any sanding/refinish to change it. So I'm reluctant to send it in for repair, and will maybe do it only if the flaking/lifting worsens. You can see how the checking appears consistent with freezer method aside from the actual lifting that's visible near the strap pin and jack plate....similar areas to others shown. If you can't see the difference between the "defective" areas and intentional checking.."

Your last photo looks like the high E string is actually resting on the frets. Is it or no?
 

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Gibson has used a different nitro formula on the Murphys in the past and very likely is now as well.
 

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sure do wish I had me one of those new fangled geetars by Murphy laboratory


" they did not listen ,,,,they are not listening still ..... perhaps they never will " ......
 
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Wise Guy

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sure do wish I had me one of those new fangled geetars by Murphy laboratory


" they did not listen ,,,,they are not listening still ..... perhaps they never will " ......
I've played a few and even tossed around the idea of trading in a few guitars towards a ML guitar but ended deciding it wasn't really worth it in the end. Not now anyway. I'm having a hard time separating from my Standard USA line.
 
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