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Relics

Pelham Blues

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Aren't relic'd guitars a bit of a fruad? A new guitar trying to pass off as old? Trying for the SRV look on a guitar that hasn't "earned it". I obviously just don't get the whole relic thing. Paying extra for someone to beat up the guitar, frequently not realistically...? Just my opinion. Any thoughts?
 

vintage58

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My body rejects the relic concept solely on the basis of it being, well, artificial. At the same time, the skill and workmanship that go into creating an aged guitar are occasionally admirable, in the same way that one might admire a work of art. Still, I would never purchase or own a relic because I personally think the starting concept itself, just as a concept, is ridiculous. I do understand, of course, that some specifically prefer a relic for actual functional reasons (for example, many relics have rolled fingerboard edges, which arguably does exert an impact on the feel of the guitar). I also certainly think that those who love relic guitars should be able to get whichever guitars make them happy, just as people who consider relics to be as ridiculous as I do should be able to get whichever guitars make them happy.

The one objection that I do have when it comes to relic guitars, however, is the impact that they seem to have come to exert on the high-end reissue guitar market. As of this writing, for instance, Fender Custom Shop guitars are currently much more widely available ONLY as relics, and scarcely as N.O.S. versions — despite the fact that even just a decade or two ago, N.O.S. Stratocasters, N.O.S. Nocasters, etc. were regularly well represented in the inventories of high-end guitar shops.

And look, before anyone chimes in with the usual "Well, guitar players' buying preferences have changed, and the market simply reflects that," I must respectfully call bullshit on that observation. Perhaps tastes have changed, yes. Fair enough. But a guitar buyer who specifically wants a shiny, brand-new-looking version of a legendary model of guitar (translation: the NORMAL version of the given guitar model!) should NOT, in my opinion, have to make a special or extra effort to obtain one — for example, I don’t think the N.O.S. version of a guitar should ever need to be a "custom order." Those guitars should be available off the rack like that. I mean, it's fine if Gibson and Fender choose to flood the current high-end guitar market with guitars whose backs and bass-side lower bouts look like they've been gone over with a cheese grater — just as long as gloss and N.O.S. versions of the same guitar models remain equally available to consumers. As of this writing, however, they do not seem to be, and I view that circumstance as yet another indication of how upside down the world is these days. In other words, you can find scratched, dented, and rusty-looking $5K-plus reissue versions of iconic guitars all day long. But try finding a version that re-creates what the same guitar looked like when it was brand-new.... well, THAT you evidently now have to dig for. That’s nuts, IMO.

My $0.02 :)
 

Pelham Blues

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Well, thanks for the warm welcome gmann. I was not aware my posts had to meet your approval. No I did not register solely for this. Ironically, you liked and reacted to my first post.
 
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renderit

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Aren't relic'd guitars a bit of a fruad? A new guitar trying to pass off as old? Trying for the SRV look on a guitar that hasn't "earned it". I obviously just don't get the whole relic thing. Paying extra for someone to beat up the guitar, frequently not realistically...? Just my opinion. Any thoughts?
Well, I don't know what the hell a FRUAD is.

I would look at the contractions and assume it is
FRUit ADded.

In which case I would say yes because they go through a lot of work after finishing.


However it could be
FRUmpish overloAD.

Then I would assume that it is done to get people to look away instead of stealing it which could well be a great security thang!

But it might be
FRUctose warheAD which could be dangerous and lead to war, wait...Might be sweet and in your face!

If it meant
FRUstrating shitloAD I would have to ask you why you felt this way in a session. I have affordabler rates than most.

I will continue to ponder this and get back to you...
 

Imprimus

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Well, thanks for the warm welcome gmann. I was not aware my posts had to meet your approval. No I did not register solely for this. Ironically, you liked and reacted to my first post.
I'm posting this not to insult, argue or ridicule but to help you deal with something I struggle with... ego. So please do not take offense.

You are the one acting as if your post has to meet his approval by expecting to be welcomed for it and caring about how it was received and expecting likes. Then there is your first post. You said you dont like relics and are practically begging for people to agree with just your opinion by sharing their thoughts.

You pass judgement on a whole class of guitars, dismissing anyone who owns them because they didnt "earn" the wear and get upset when you dont get the response you want.

Imagine instead if you had posted: people who like relics, help me understand why?

Big difference in how it's worded.

I would stop worrying so much about what other people think, or like, especially strangers on the internet.

Ego can be a poweful thing, and everyone's ego is, underneath, quite fragile, needing constant reinforcement.

Relicing as been discussed extensively, on every guitar forum. This is from 18 years ago, 12 pages long. Most are tired of reading and discussing it. Keep this in mind when reading people's replies. Try to see it from their perspective.


Another, 2008.

Welcome to the forum!
 

Pelham Blues

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I'm posting this not to insult, argue or ridicule but to help you deal with something I struggle with... ego. So please do not take offense.

You are the one acting as if your post has to meet his approval by expecting to be welcomed for it and caring about how it was received and expecting likes. Then there is your first post. You said you dont like relics and are practically begging for people to agree with just your opinion by sharing their thoughts.

You pass judgement on a whole class of guitars, dismissing anyone who owns them because they didnt "earn" the wear and get upset when you dont get the response you want.

Imagine instead if you had posted: people who like relics, help me understand why?

Big difference in how it's worded.

I would stop worrying so much about what other people think, or like, especially strangers on the internet.

Ego can be a poweful thing, and everyone's ego is, underneath, quite fragile, needing constant reinforcement.

Relicing as been discussed extensively, on every guitar forum. This is from 18 years ago, 12 pages long. Most are tired of reading and discussing it. Keep this in mind when reading people's replies. Try to see it from their perspective.


Another, 2008.

Welcome to the forum!
 

Pelham Blues

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Imprimus, thank you for your input and perspective, and input recieved, no offense taken. You have opened my eyes with some very good observations I will take to heart. Sometimes one needs to be shown the error of their ways. My approach to this matter has been very poor. My apologies to offended relic owners and gmann.

For clarification this was not my first post...first day, yes.

Again, thank you for your insights.
 
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gmann

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Imprimus, thank you for your input and perspective, and input recieved, no offense taken. You have opened my eyes with some very good observations I will take to heart. Sometimes one needs to be shown the error of their ways. My approach to this matter has been very poor. My apologies to offended relic owners and gmann.

For clarification this was not my first post...first day, yes.

Again, thank you for your insights.
For the record, I was not offended but I can see where I overly reacted to a thread that I feel has been beaten to death. My apologies to you.
 

renderit

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Pel, just watch.

There will be a new thread asking the same question in a month.

If not it will be asked when somebody posts their 'NGD Murphy Lab' thread.
 

Blue97FXSTC

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This was the only Relic I ever purchased new…



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Yam the Bomb

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My personal opinion is anyone playing a vintage guitar that was already worn before they owned it or a new relic should have to wear a shirt saying “I’m not the one who wore this guitar out. I bought it this way.” Just in case the OP or anyone else might think he really played it a bunch to get it looking like that only to be disappointed later when the truth comes out.

Who’s with me on this? Jeans too! If you bought them already broken in, don’t try to trick us. We know you ain’t no real cowboy wearing those pre-washed jeans. 😂
 

JASIII

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My body rejects the relic concept solely on the basis of it being, well, artificial. At the same time, the skill and workmanship that go into creating an aged guitar are occasionally admirable, in the same way that one might admire a work of art. Still, I would never purchase or own a relic because I personally think the starting concept itself, just as a concept, is ridiculous. I do understand, of course, that some specifically prefer a relic for actual functional reasons (for example, many relics have rolled fingerboard edges, which arguably does exert an impact on the feel of the guitar). I also certainly think that those who love relic guitars should be able to get whichever guitars make them happy, just as people who consider relics to be as ridiculous as I do should be able to get whichever guitars make them happy.

The one objection that I do have when it comes to relic guitars, however, is the impact that they seem to have come to exert on the high-end reissue guitar market. As of this writing, for instance, Fender Custom Shop guitars are currently much more widely available ONLY as relics, and scarcely as N.O.S. versions — despite the fact that even just a decade or two ago, N.O.S. Stratocasters, N.O.S. Nocasters, etc. were regularly well represented in the inventories of high-end guitar shops.

And look, before anyone chimes in with the usual "Well, guitar players' buying preferences have changed, and the market simply reflects that," I must respectfully call bullshit on that observation. Perhaps tastes have changed, yes. Fair enough. But a guitar buyer who specifically wants a shiny, brand-new-looking version of a legendary model of guitar (translation: the NORMAL version of the given guitar model!) should NOT, in my opinion, have to make a special or extra effort to obtain one — for example, I don’t think the N.O.S. version of a guitar should ever need to be a "custom order." Those guitars should be available off the rack like that. I mean, it's fine if Gibson and Fender choose to flood the current high-end guitar market with guitars whose backs and bass-side lower bouts look like they've been gone over with a cheese grater — just as long as gloss and N.O.S. versions of the same guitar models remain equally available to consumers. As of this writing, however, they do not seem to be, and I view that circumstance as yet another indication of how upside down the world is these days. In other words, you can find scratched, dented, and rusty-looking $5K-plus reissue versions of iconic guitars all day long. But try finding a version that re-creates what the same guitar looked like when it was brand-new.... well, THAT you evidently now have to dig for. That’s nuts, IMO.

My $0.02 :)
I agree with this post whole heartedly. Back in 2020 I was looking for a R8 or R9, and found ONE "gloss" R9 for sale on Reverb and I promptly bought it. Try finding a "gloss" anything CS now! Few and far between. I didn't even want VOS, I wanted a guitar that looked brand new.

The big question I have regarding relics is how the used market will be impacted. Is condition no longer a thing? Or are we going to get into "relic" mint vs "relic" excellent in the used market in the future? How is a used relic worth any more or less than a used guitar in cosmetically poor condition? Where are the lines of distinction?
 

jb_abides

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Try finding a "gloss" anything CS now! Few and far between. I didn't even want VOS, I wanted a guitar that looked brand new.

Correct it will be tough.

Recommendation if you are open to it: expand your search to find a good VOS, then de-gunk with naphtha, Virtuoso Cleaner, and gloss to your liking with Virtuoso Polish.

More work but expanding the available sample set might just land you a better specimen overall. I know I sound like a Virtuoso commercial but it's worked for myself and others.
 
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BoyBastos

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Aren't relic'd guitars a bit of a fruad? A new guitar trying to pass off as old? Trying for the SRV look on a guitar that hasn't "earned it". I obviously just don't get the whole relic thing. Paying extra for someone to beat up the guitar, frequently not realistically...? Just my opinion. Any thoughts?
 

somebodyelseuk

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If 'we're' going to judge people who buy relic'd guitars as 'FRAUDS', then I'm going to judge people who use incorrect spelling as 'thick' or 'lazy'.

That seems fair enough, to me.
 

gibson-r8

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By the time I finish a guitar, it is usually relic’ed.

I will say, the best feeling and playing strat I ever picked up was a Rory Gallagher model. But dang! It was about triple the cost of the new American standard Tri-burst I ended up buying.
welcome to the forum!
 

LeonC

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I remember playing an early Rory Gallagher at a NAMM show in about 2004 or 5 and being knocked out. The feel of that neck was just insanely great. Man, I should have bought that thing on the spot. The body relic-ing was over the top...but I didn't care, it was worth the price of admission just for the size/shape/feel of the neck. I did wind up buying one years later and used it for a couple years, but eventually sold it after falling for a much cheaper model...but hell, I've been through 3 other strats since then, lol.
 

Burst_in2_flames

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^ This. The feel of a relic is often superior to a new one. If you think a "broken in" feel needs to somehow be earned, I guess that's your prerogative - but I see nothing wrong with buying a guitar that feels good to play.
 
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