The Lost Bass Project Success - Can this be done for Beano Burst?

[William Payne]

I don’t know, if the market ever crashes for collectable vintage guitars and amps where the generation that desires them disappears I will be buying as many as I can of everything I find.

I don’t care about investment value. I just want them for what they are.

 

[MattD1960]

I would suggest that Page's #1 would be more valuable. It has a solid history with Page for over 50 years and is the iconic Zep recording and stage guitar, photographed a million times.

There are barely any photos of the Beano guitar and it has a relatively short history with EC.

Also, given that short life and vague photos, how is it that DZ "allegedly" has Beano? How would he or anyone be able to prove it? I keep seeing references to this but nothing quantifying how or why? Short of actually admitting buying it from the thief that stole it from Clapton. Highly unlikely he acquired it that way as he would have been about 2 yrs old when it was stolen. It must have changed hands many times prior to his acquisition.

Beano has a more Mythic quality to it, its essentially Robert Johnson in the form of a guitar, it showed up clapton played it on an album that by most accounts changed everything that came after it. and then it vanished without a trace, he tried to replace it never really could and moved away from that sound all together but its looked at as a masterwork of electric blues guitar. Pages number 1 is EPIC but if given the choice in owning one of the other and i am a HUGE led zep fan id take beano every time because of the myth surrounding at.

there are so many DZ references because back 20 years ago when this was THE topic of discussion most days on the forum the big inside guys were all hinting at it, the big collectors that used to post here often kinda put it into the ether. and then Joe B mentioned in an article that he knew where it was that it was infact a 59 and was in a large private collection on the east coast. there are also people who have claimed to have much better photos that have not been published, so if you add all that up the Innuendo and clues would point to DZ owning the guitar and someone or multiple someones have enough evidence to prove it is such guitar.


I am not a member of the Burst Illuminati and i dont have the resources or contacts to really investigate further then any other normal person, BUT in all my time of the LPF all roads about beano have always seemed to lead to DZs infamous guitar vault

P.S.
I said "infamous guitar vault" i did not mean that as a dig at DZ. I think a lot of damage was done on here in the forum "HAY DAY" with people shouting from the rooftops that this evil man must be stopped from buying up all the bursts... Or the Red Eye saga which many people point to as some evil master plan to again own them all at all costs. I think if the Les Paul community had been more welcoming maybe we would have a better idea of what cards he is really holding

 

[goldtop0]

Lots of threads about this on here, Joe Bonamassa knows, so if you pester him he may or may not tell you of its whereabouts.

 

[Jumping@Shadows]

Beano has a more Mythic quality to it, its essentially Robert Johnson in the form of a guitar, it showed up clapton played it on an album that by most accounts changed everything that came after it. and then it vanished without a trace, he tried to replace it never really could and moved away from that sound all together but its looked at as a masterwork of electric blues guitar. Pages number 1 is EPIC but if given the choice in owning one of the other and i am a HUGE led zep fan id take beano every time because of the myth surrounding at.

there are so many DZ references because back 20 years ago when this was THE topic of discussion most days on the forum the big inside guys were all hinting at it, the big collectors that used to post here often kinda put it into the ether. and then Joe B mentioned in an article that he knew where it was that it was infact a 59 and was in a large private collection on the east coast. there are also people who have claimed to have much better photos that have not been published, so if you add all that up the Innuendo and clues would point to DZ owning the guitar and someone or multiple someones have enough evidence to prove it is such guitar.


I am not a member of the Burst Illuminati and i dont have the resources or contacts to really investigate further then any other normal person, BUT in all my time of the LPF all roads about beano have always seemed to lead to DZs infamous guitar vault

Infamously Gil Southworth stated he had it physically in hand, and knew exactly what it was, which is the best prima facie account I can think of, but good luck getting a straight answer out of him on it tho!

 

[jimmi]

he probably couldn't. In the almost 20 years i have been on this forum this topic has gone from interesting to annoying to forgotten about to interesting again, this in a horse that wont die and I LOVE IT. That said, I personally dont think clapton would be able to pick it out of a line up, but i do think EC is smart enough to know that if it did surface and could without a shadow of a doubt be identified it would be the most valuable guitar on the planet, and he then would lay claim to it as stolen property, and my thoughts keeps going on the matter down those tracks, the current owner who i personally believe is Dirk Ziff is aware that EC would want it back and aside from the legality of the situation there would be alot of public pressure from those who care about such things that Clapton be Reunited with his "mythical" "lost" Les Paul.

heres the question i am always left with when i think this through....... how big of a donation to the Crossroads center would it take for DZ to be left with beano no questions asked and allow the burst loving public to know about it.

I think Page’s number 1 is the most valuable guitar on the planet.

That said, not sure all the guitar players from the 60s are as attached to their guitars as we are for them or, some of us, to our own. Lots of years, lots of drugs between Eric and this guitar. He might really not be able to recognize it

 

[jimmi]

I don’t know, if the market ever crashes for collectable vintage guitars and amps where the generation that desires them disappears I will be buying as many as I can of everything I find.

I don’t care about investment value. I just want them for what they are.

That is where I am. Like a cat lady but with vintage guitars instead of cats. My wife might argue we are there already

 

[S. Weiger]

I'm not so sure "I don’t care about investment value"...
Honestly, I DO care. Admitted, guilty as charged.
Just as much as I care about my guitars being great instruments, I also hope I can get at least the same amount of $ as I paid, if I need/want to sell them. That way, I have managed to own and experience many more great vintage guitars than I could have hoped for otherwise.

 

[William Payne]

I'm not so sure "I don’t care about investment value"...
Honestly, I DO care. Admitted, guilty as charged.
Just as much as I care about my guitars being great instruments, I also hope I can get at least the same amount of $ as I paid, if I need/want to sell them. That way, I have managed to own and experience many more great vintage guitars than I could have hoped for otherwise.

You will have to take what I said about investment value with a grain of salt. I don’t tend to sell things. If I had money I’d buy a storage warehouse and never ever sell anything I have ever brought.

I only tend to sell things when I absolutely have to for whatever reason that might be.

 

[AA00475Bassman]

Infamously Gil Southworth stated he had it physically in hand, and knew exactly what it was, which is the best prima facie account I can think of, but good luck getting a straight answer out of him on it tho!

I have purchased from Gil I wouldn't believe anything out of him .

 

[Jumping@Shadows]

I have purchased from Gil I wouldn't believe anything out of him .

My takeaway from his comment, which was referencing a U.K. dealer offering a Burst for sale that was previously owned by our own Tom Wittrock, which had magically sprouted Peter Green’s signature on the control plate in the time between custodians, and that said dealer was so incompetent/dodgy overall that he couldn’t even ‘recognise Beano when he had it in his lap’, was too throwaway as to be a merry Gil Tall Tale, and had a ring or veracity to it.

My favourite Beano rabbit hole is that refin black, Grover’d and single DW PAF sporting example others have homed in on, but I can’t remember the details now.