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2 Bursts in Germany!?

J.D.

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Yeah we're basically saying the same thing :salude
 

TomGuitar

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Lack of enforcement of user guidelines.

Example? Post #396.

Well, since you didn't quote it and he edited it so I don't know what he said, enlighten me. I have had a number of in-person conversations with you in Texas, though you probably can't connect me to my forum ID, and I have always found you to be forthcoming and honest and open in person. We had a great conversation in Arlington about the forms and jigs you bought. Somehow, that persona doesn't translate to your online presence and it confuses me. I react negatively to your posts. I perceive an attitude that is not present in person. Not sure why that is. But you don't present the same way online as you do in person. You have a lot of valuable info to contribute here, and contributing it "there" is a waste of bandwidth. That place is basically useless.
 

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I wish you were working for Robert Mueller!


So, if I've got this straight:


  • that RD's other 'burst suffered an unfortunate and entirely unrelated accident is now, by some perverse logic, germane to this discussion of whether Detlef misrepresented the sale of an entirely different guitar. Tell me, by that logic, does my havng put a giant ding in the face of a mint 52 Tele mean that I'm wrong about the Marshall?
  • the very same posters here who pilloried those promoting and selling the "fake Explorer" blithely give Detlef a free-pass on his "authentication" of that same guitar because he deserves "the benefit of the doubt" (what a shame that Explorer thread is conveniently "missing" from the archive and, thereby, unquoteable). I'm unable to think of a logic sufficiently twisted to explain that. Personally, I see the provision of that letter of authentication as being actively and knowingly complicit in the guitar's promotion;
  • Flying Fred sold RD a fake Bluesbreaker, for which Detlef/Guitarpoint provided sales documentation. Seemingly, that's forgivable because he gets the "benefit of the doubt" from his friends. Justin Harrion's mistake would appear to be that of having the wrong friends.

I'll wait with baited breath for those defending Detlef to equally stridently defend Music Ground the next time an unfortunate customer shows up with an MG receipt for a fake Marshall, or a third-party authentication letter for a fake Korina guitar they purchased from Justin.

That many of the actors here are blinded by old enmities makes this all the more contemptible.

Something is rotten in the state of Denmark.
 

abalonevintage

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I have had a number of in-person conversations with you in Texas, though you probably can't connect me to my forum ID, and I have always found you to be forthcoming and honest and open in person. We had a great conversation in Arlington about the forms and jigs you bought. Somehow, that persona doesn't translate to your online presence and it confuses me. I react negatively to your posts. I perceive an attitude that is not present in person. Not sure why that is. But you don't present the same way online as you do in person.

Probably because I am extremely busy and have to multitask. That usually requires my posts to be short, and direct. Add to that, I'm on several forums...certainly easier with a smaller number.

Guitars shows? I'm all smiles.
 

jbyrd1

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I know, right? The only reason the mods are letting that shitfest continue is because it is a pile on of this forum. A few days ago, they closed the thread "permanently", but reopened it after we commented about it here. Now it has turned into a bunch of hyenas jerking each other. I find it most interesting that a few members here, go over there and post bullshit about this forum. Talk about "safe space". :rolleyes:

I am a member of both forums, and have found both to be full of helpful, knowledgeable people. Not sure of why the “us and them” mentality. I have seen comments like yours and Tom’s above, and that might have something to do with the division. The “holier than thou” attitude.....silly. At the end of the day, we all love the same thing....wood and six strings.
 

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The real news here is apparently a lot of dudes think running a fan forum is lucrative endeavor :laugh2:





I should of known you guys were hiding the big bucks!!!!
 

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Guitars shows? I'm all smiles.



Met you at a guitar show , you we're nice , but when you didn't want to meet my

terms of a cash/bank check sale , with no trade , I moved on.

Later that week there was a less than friendly phone call from you , not

giving you a fair chance to buy it . Look , you either have the funds or you don't .

Looking back , I'm so glad we never made a deal, you showed your true colors

the day you called basically yelling at me , very unprofessional & to that day , you

lost all respect with me. Don't dig you at all , or your attitude if things don't go your way.

Not to mention other accusations you made about me & the guitars past. That really

pissed me off , which had no basis in truth & were speculation after you realized you weren't

getting the guitar , made it real personal ,IMO.
 

abalonevintage

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Later that week there was a less than friendly phone call from you ,

you showed your true colors

the day you called basically yelling at me.

You are sadly mistaken. After we discussed it at the Philly show, I dropped it.

Why would I call you? You wanted quick cash, all I had was gear at the time.

You have me confused with someone else.

I’m elated that Frank Pine bought your guitar. Very happy for him. He got a stellar guitar for a stellar deal!
 

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You are sadly mistaken. After we discussed it at the Philly show, I dropped it.

Why would I call you? You wanted quick cash, all I had was gear at the time.

You have me confused with someone else.

I’m elated that Frank Pine bought your guitar. Very happy for him. He got a stellar guitar for a stellar deal!



You're less than truthful & you know it ! , & mentioning the current owner

who wishes to remain kept out of this , is just further proof of your

unprofessional manor , your a real tool. :salude
 

abalonevintage

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You're less than truthful & you know it ! , & mentioning the current owner

who wishes to remain kept out of this , is just further proof of your

unprofessional manor , your a real tool. :salude

Maybe you don’t realize Frank is my friend.
 

J.D.

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You can check out anytime you like, but you can never leave :spabout
 

sunburst1

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Maybe you don’t realize Frank is my friend.


If you were , you would know what his wishes were , & are.

You're really a off-base & very disrespectful of the truth & facts.

I have a great memory , maybe you're the confused party?

Maybe you need to start taking donepezil/Aricept ?
 

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Met you at a guitar show , you we're nice , but when you didn't want to meet my

terms of a cash/bank check sale , with no trade , I moved on.

Later that week there was a less than friendly phone call from you , not

giving you a fair chance to buy it . Look , you either have the funds or you don't .

Looking back , I'm so glad we never made a deal, you showed your true colors

the day you called basically yelling at me , very unprofessional & to that day , you

lost all respect with me. Don't dig you at all , or your attitude if things don't go your way.

Not to mention other accusations you made about me & the guitars past. That really

pissed me off , which had no basis in truth & were speculation after you realized you weren't

getting the guitar , made it real personal ,IMO.

My experience is different. I have done a good amount of buisness with Eric and have never had any issues. He has been honest and forthright. The one occasion I needed to return an item (turned out to be wrong for a project...nothing wrong with the item itself) it was done in a professional manner. I have spoken to him many times about purchases from other venders and he has always been willing to look if i wanted another opinion without issue.

i believe F-hole already spoke in this thread about similar experience with Eric as I have had.
 

Big Al

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while I was never the king of math class this would at the very least be 48 guitars :jim
24. In Santa Barbara we refinished 8 52/53 half to all gold, none bursted as they lacked center seams. Most were converted with old parts to 57/58 style without neck resets and ground down collapsed abr1's from my stash. In L A I did about 5/6 more including a very intense burl type figured 52 with a bookmatch between the controls. The match was perfect and looked like a single pc top. Honey bursted that one and another with a fiddle back matched top with seam on bass bout. Those two went to Skips in Sacramento.


Bail bridge goldtops in players grade were 5-700 bucks in the 70's. I also did two 56 to 57 gold top conversions with refins with fewer done afterwards. Last one was in 89. The others I didn't do but was aware of. I also did several Jr mods.
 

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Morning/Afternoon/Evening all,

Thought I would drop by the LPF as I have a few days off work, having read this thread I think I would have been been better off back in work!

Having read all 416 posts so far it seems to me that which ever side of the fence people sit nobody seems to know if it's a Goldtop or not. So for me that is a side issue. It's all guesswork. The more important question for me would be did the purchase price reflect this ambiguity?

If it didn't then there is a problem, if it did then I, for one, would be wary about it being originally a Burst.

Secondly, I've heard about issues with either GP's accuracy or not disclosing issues before. However, I don't recall it spread across internet forums to be dissected by Monday morning quarterbacks as well as the experts. Phone calls and emails between the parties involved would be more appropriate I would think. It's now turned into a multiforum freakshow where truth and rumour are handed out in equal measure.

This thread has more posts about egos and insinuation than it does about fact.

The key to this sale and the true motives of both the seller and the buyer are in the detail and for me, having read this thread over more than once I keep coming back to the same question.

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For me this is the key about disclosure, integrity and competence.

The Burst world has instances of M69's swapped out when the guitar changes hands. There is one man in London that is rather well known for such activities.

The Marshall? Well if it is a very good fake, unless you are a true expert like John then most guitar stores could be fooled by it. But plastics? That's the big question for me. When were they swapped out? Who knew? Why was it not disclosed at the time of sale?

The last question only has two possible answers and neither of them would fill me with joy.
 

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The Marshall? Well if it is a very good fake, unless you are a true expert like John then most guitar stores could be fooled by it.

I don't believe that to be the case. There are, for example, vintage Marshall forums where very knowledgable people are only too happy to accurately and calmly identity what "it" is when asked. All it takes on the part of the seller is a desire to exercise diligence, which anyone holding themselves out as a "vintage expert" in a commercial context is required to do. Anybody purporting to be a "vintage expert" unquestinably sets the bar higher for themselves, both morally and legally (it goes to the general legal doctrine of "reliance", i.e. whether it is reasonable for a prudent person to "rely" on "expert" representations). It's not like vintage Marshalls don't have an "I better get this thing checked out" reputation.
 
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In the context of what's been discussed ad nausea, I wonder if anybody would be happy with the outcome of the purchase of the guitar and the amp, if it was their money on the table, today, ceteris paribus.
 
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