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Are the 2014 R9's really all that?

67blackcherry

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Greetings - I've got a little $$$ coming my way; my 20yo daughter wrecked my (first real performance) car, a 2007 Audi A3 S-line that I absolutely loved. I want to purchase a guitar to remind me of that great little car.
She's ok, by the way.

I've heard so much about the 2014 R9's (and R8's) that I think I'm ready to purchase one but my question is....are they really all that? I've got all my LP bases covered (R4GT, R4BB, R6GT, R7BB, R8(x2) and R0 Special) and I figure if they really are that amazing, I can easily sell my '98 R8 & '02 R8 and make up my $$$ plus some. Even that NGD thread, the OP owned an older R8 and he said the new THR8 is worlds apart which is what I've heard and the 2014 is pretty much a TH, correct? I know the R9 would be a prudent investment, so there's that also to consider.

(this may be blasphemy, here on the LPF, but I'm also considering an Ibanez Iceman PS10LTD....just because I've always loved those and KISS/Ace is the reason I picked up the guitar back in '77...I know it's a Paul Stanley model but still...)
What to do, what to do?
 

CAGinLA

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Even that NGD thread, the OP owned an older R8 and he said the new THR8 is worlds apart which is what I've heard and the 2014 is pretty much a TH, correct?

No, they have different specs.


I know the R9 would be a prudent investment, so there's that also to consider.

Guitars are TERRIBLE investments! The only people who made real money on guitars were those prescient enough and/or rich enough to jump on vintage pieces before the prices shot through the stratosphere. No modern-era, regular production Historic is going to earn money for you.
 

67blackcherry

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No, they have different specs.




Guitars are TERRIBLE investments! The only people who made real money on guitars were those prescient enough and/or rich enough to jump on vintage pieces before the prices shot through the stratosphere. No modern-era, regular production Historic is going to earn money for you.

I don't buy new so I don't have the depreciation and thus so could (probably) easily sell all my Historics for at least what I've paid for them - that's what I meant by a prudent investment.
 

CAGinLA

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No not all but quite a few of them would have...

In what fantasy world are regular production Historics (as specified in my original post) making money for people as investment pieces?
 

renderit

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In what fantasy world are regular production Historics (as specified in my original post) making money for people as investment pieces?

Mine! And don't tell Mrs. Ren any different, bucko!
 

0 2339

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In what fantasy world are regular production Historics (as specified in my original post) making money for people as investment pieces?

certain modern era runs are definately goin to make money... think of gibbons or green cc's. who knows how murphy painted/aged guitars; ltd brazilian rw runs; pre-"postedwinwilson" guitars will develop....

though, it's always up to what you think a good investment is ; )
 

ONEHERO

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Well I was told from 3 dealers so far that Gibson has dramatically stopped production of their R8 and R9 where it's gearing towards special orders or the M2M since there was too much problems with inventory and such :pop
 

CAGinLA

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certain modern era runs are definately goin to make money... think of gibbons or green cc's. who knows how murphy painted/aged guitars; ltd brazilian rw runs; pre-"postedwinwilson" guitars will develop....

though, it's always up to what you think a good investment is ; )

Those are not regular production models, but special/limited runs.
 

Big Al

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I buy guitars cause when I play them, I must have it. I do not buy on speculation. I have guitars I love and have loved for decades. I own great guitars and wouldn't sell any for an unknown. That's just me though.:laugh2:
 

Pellman73

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Greetings - I've got a little $$$ coming my way; my 20yo daughter wrecked my (first real performance) car, a 2007 Audi A3 S-line that I absolutely loved. I want to purchase a guitar to remind me of that great little car.
She's ok, by the way.

I've heard so much about the 2014 R9's (and R8's) that I think I'm ready to purchase one but my question is....are they really all that? I've got all my LP bases covered (R4GT, R4BB, R6GT, R7BB, R8(x2) and R0 Special) and I figure if they really are that amazing, I can easily sell my '98 R8 & '02 R8 and make up my $$$ plus some. Even that NGD thread, the OP owned an older R8 and he said the new THR8 is worlds apart which is what I've heard and the 2014 is pretty much a TH, correct? I know the R9 would be a prudent investment, so there's that also to consider.

(this may be blasphemy, here on the LPF, but I'm also considering an Ibanez Iceman PS10LTD....just because I've always loved those and KISS/Ace is the reason I picked up the guitar back in '77...I know it's a Paul Stanley model but still...)
What to do, what to do?

Thats right ice. man. I am dangerous

sounds like you've got your les paul bases VERY well covered. but what about Poor Paul Stanely standing there all sad w his pursed lips wondering when he's gonna get some love?

not blasphemy w me! but I"m an infamous derailer. I would have made a terrible hall monitor.

lets talk about ibanez guitars!

just kidding... I did go through a Reb Beach phase last year and at one point I had two of the numbered Koa explorers. they are badass guitars!

I can't give you any advice on the guitar you've asked about and perhaps we could hear from people who have had your R8's and have the newer ones and are they very different?

as Al said, I'd try to play the dang thing before you buy it (as opposed to the iceman-- that's checking a very particular box for you and it would not make as big a difference how it played I"d guess)

what song would you play first on it? I'd play Detroit Rock City. pretty much the most surprised I was about any song to learn for my band that made me love the original because it is SO fun to play.

sorry. deraling again.

glad your daughter is ok and sorry about your car!
 

CAGinLA

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To get back to the OP's original question, the 2014s have a solid reputation. Obviously, there were some dogs produced, so try to play before you buy, but they were a good bang for the buck.

Also note that the 2015s (nearly all - if not all - of which have 2014 serials) and the 2016s have the same specs as the 2014s (except for maybe some tiny differences - I think perhaps some slightly different binding color? Different switch badge on the 2016s and maybe a slightly different shade to the red on the back?). They are essentially the same guitar.

The True Historics are divisive - some people don't feel the spec changes were enough to justify the large price increase, while others don't mind paying more for guitars that are a little more labor intensive to produce and have a but more historical accuracy (not perfect repros of the originals, of course).

Personally, I love the THs that I have played and owned and prefer them over regular Historics, but that is just that - a personal preference. Lots of folks prefer regular Historics and don't feel/hear the difference (I think they're crazy, but hey - we all feel/hear things differently!).

This is not a knock on Historics - I have owned a few and they are great guitars.

It's been my experience that THs are a tad brighter and airy sounding compared to Historics, which have a bit more low end growl.
 

renderit

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My R9 is actually a 2013. You may want to look at them as well. They are the same thing as a 14.


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captainvideo

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I went through this last summer when researching and purchasing a non True Historic Custom Shop Les Paul.
The 2014s use hide glue in 1 extra spot than the 2013s.
2015s unless you go TH you get a short tenon.
2016s go back to 2014 specs except the serial # begins with an R.

Again these are the non-True Historic Standard Custom Shop Les Pauls. What I decided was I could live with the R before the serial # and I bought a brand new never touched 2016 R8.
 

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Best damn Les Paul I have ever owned and it is my numero uno Guitar
 

J T

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In what fantasy world are regular production Historics (as specified in my original post) making money for people as investment pieces?

Murphy's, 2003 Braz's, 90s Pre historics, Monster tops, just to name a few. You'd make a few bucks if you had bought them new. They weren't special runs.

But don't get the idea you'll become a millionaire flipping gear. Some people did and tried. That's what drove prices sky high on reasonably priced gear ten years ago. It's for fun. Never forget that. Don't get too serious about this stuff or go in over your head.
 

CAGinLA

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2015s unless you go TH you get a short tenon.

No, that's incorrect. 2015-built Historics (all - or most - of which have 2014 serial numbers) have the long tenon, just like all other Historics.

You are thinking of the short-lived 2015 CS series (all of which have CS before the serial number); they have (erm, had) a short, wide tenon.
 

67blackcherry

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These are my R8's - now I'm seriously wondering if the R9 I'm looking at will blow these away or is it going to be....meh.....
They sound & play great and stay in tune all night.
 

buckaroo

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Don't buy a new Historic Les Paul thinking it will hold it's value or appreciate any time soon. If you want a great player then you can "find one" in a 2014 Historic Les Paul. Guitars old and new need to be played first to see if they are a good fit for you. Spend wisely.

Buck
 
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