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Did covid-19 increase the value of the 1960 60th Anniversary LP?

JoeC

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As an interesting (to me) aside, I was watching you tube yesterday and a video popped up about PAFs and magnets. (tracking cookies know what I have typed and they send us content about that). There was a guy comparing real PAFs with new ones and swapping magnets. He reported that he thought the new vs old magnets were fairly similar but that the old ones sounded "1%" better (his words). It is my belief that if old magnets are 1% better, and hot hide glue is .5% (made that up), and a Brazilian board is 1% better (referencing discussion above), and caps are 4%......pretty soon you have a guitar that is 20-30% better and THAT is the "secret sauce". Not one detail as many of us are seeking.

Here is the video as a citation for what I am saying. I have no affiliation with this person and am neither endorsing nor debunking what he is saying. Just an FYI
I was just doing some magnet research. original PAF used Alnico 2 or 4 more Frequently and less often A3. Within an A2 for example there are different qualities, hence Gibson not able recreate the exact same magnet. Besides quality there is a charge. PAFs were not fully charged magnets. Since A3 is weaker than A2 (go figure) a full charged A3 gets the original PAF sounds as compared to a partially charged A2. In my opinion, also take the difference in winding on the original PAF (tension and trurns) and it would be impossible to recreate the original. Did some PAF magnets have difference charges? Probably. So an Alnico 3 at full charge is the most consistent to an original PAF, and recreating the exact formula of a magnet of the original PAF, spending a lot of money on it in the process, still will not get you there.
 

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There is nothing special about the 60th Anniversary It will not be valuable in the future its just a Historic.
There is a 40th and 50th Anniversary there is gona be a 70th
I am certainly not arguing that 60th is the last Historic LP that will ever be made, but no one can predict future values. Gibson has made curious and catastrophic decisions before. They could certainly do it again.

What if someone in 1959 had said, "there is nothing special about the 59s? They have made them for years, will make them next year, then they will be on clearance racks--and will make them from 1968-2021 (and beyond). Who cares about a 59?" Again, i am not saying they for sure WILL be valuable in the future but would never go as far as to say they will not. Factors entirely out of the control of any of us can make prices skyrocket. Gibson going broke (again), some ban on mahogany or Rosewood, another global pandemic, places like Guitar Center going broke (again) and disrupting sales, etc, etc. Hard to make predictions because they are about the future...(Yogi Berra said that)
 
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JoeC

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There is nothing special about the 60th Anniversary It will not be valuable in the future its just a Historic.
There is a 40th and 50th Anniversary there is gona be a 70th
Not expecting any great fortune here. Just less made in 2020. I would argue these are not 40th or 50th anniversaries. Neither had Historic specs. MAybe nice tops but Gibson has made great improvements in the last few years. See Discussions above
 

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What no one knows is if the changes will continue and be incorporated into the new models and they will keep getting better--or if somehow they will revert or pivot into something new. Who would have predicted the 2015 fiasco? I laugh about the fact that since about 1965 (ish) --all the Gibson loving guitar world has wanted is a LP Standard, in Sunburst, with decent pickups, a (real) ABR-1, long neck tenon, Kluson tuners (or Grover if you like those) and regular wiring and caps and pots. Since restarting production in 1968, they have NEVER done it. Not one time (that I am aware of). Several close calls and a few one offs and special dealer orders and the Custom shop models--but no actual mass production (USA shop in today's words) of the one guitar that seemingly "everyone" (obviously not 100% but most) clamors for. To call that "curious" is the understatement of the guitar century. Even when they announce they are going to do it, they never quite do (like the recent "faux-BR1" bridges.) And they have all the parts and seemingly the capability to do it--they just never have! This is not Gibson bashing. I LOVE my Gibsons. Most of them made in the past 25 years. Just to point out that anyone trying to predict what they may do in the future has obviously not studied that last 50 (ish) years of production.

Entirely possible we look back and say, "Remember when the 2019 50ths were only $5K" and (in my opinion) just as likely that they could continue to make them better and better and the 2019s will be a footnote like the others mentioned and hold or even lose value. Again, if past corporate behavior is an indicator--there is no telling what Gibson may do going forward.
 

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Not expecting any great fortune here. Just less made in 2020. I would argue these are not 40th or 50th anniversaries. Neither had Historic specs. MAybe nice tops but Gibson has made great improvements in the last few years. See Discussions above
They did make less in 2020, but they are making up for it in 2021. I just bought a 2020 60th R0 and it had a build date on the inspection card of 02/19/21. So it's quite possible Gibson will make the entire scheduled production of 2020 60th R0s--even if some (or most) of them are built in 2021.
 

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A bit off topic but related to the unpredictability I mention above--I read in 2 separate books where both Seth Lover (consulting with Seymour Duncan) and Ted McCarty (consulting with PRS) both said the exact same thing--"no one else ever called or asked me!" I find that fascinating! How many of these posts are about Seth Lover's humbuckers? Only one dude (according to Seth) ever asked him (S.D.). McCarty presided over the undisputed golden era of Gibson electrics! LP, 335, Flying V, Firebird, Explorer, Moderne (if there ever really was one)--all Mccarty (or at least all with him at the helm.) No one even called. Blows my mind.
 

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They did make less in 2020, but they are making up for it in 2021. I just bought a 2020 60th R0 and it had a build date on the inspection card of 02/19/21. So it's quite possible Gibson will make the entire scheduled production of 2020 60th R0s--even if some (or most) of them are built in 2021.
I can't wait to see this one !
 

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Simply put, yes.....it has affected everything.....try buying ammunition... as an example.....it is either not available or exorbitant ....supply and demand.....the pandemic has affected the supply...(think masks as another example).... due to reduced availability of product and the parts required to assemble/manufacture same ....Demand has increased...folks were/are cooped up with cabin fever and resources...all dressed up with no place to go.....so they oriented their resources and fever towards mitigating whatever floats their boat..for some it is Guitars/amps etc...for others...it is a BOAT....In South Florida and elsewhere dealers are selling out of boats, recreational products, etc etc....It is just a simple reality.....I do not think it is being insensitive...to report and/or discuss the effects of COVID in regard to, in this case HI-END guitars......Second and third order effects, perhaps as yet unknown, will be around for decades and become fixtures in the culture....I leveraged my resources in JULY 2020 to acquire several pieces of gear that i otherwise might not have considered.....Before you pass judgement, popular these days, I have experienced the loss of loved ones in my family as a direct result of COVID or tangentially be distressed by not being able to visit relatives or attend funerals. My takeaway is.... it directly affects the market.....how long the effects last or not last...up or down....I do not know....but everything has been effected....i thought, originally it would make the market tank and things in general would be cheaper....In my experience, that has not happened..prices are creeping upward..The price of fuel alone will increase prices for all goods and services...ALL ROADS LEAD TO ROME.
 

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We are back to the beaten path. We have a lot of discussion here over the years in regards to your interest in knowledge...the SEARCH tab can do wonders lads!

The only increase you will have is when the workers/employees get their wage hikes if ever. The numbers change higher but the value is the same or cost more.
Every year there is an increase with instruments which they all fall in to drive them as much as from $100-500 depending on the brand and where it's made etc.

Peace!
 
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They did make less in 2020, but they are making up for it in 2021. I just bought a 2020 60th R0 and it had a build date on the inspection card of 02/19/21. So it's quite possible Gibson will make the entire scheduled production of 2020 60th R0s--even if some (or most) of them are built in 2021.
Gibson will make the numbers they need to suffice the mass, these all depends on the wood stockpile they have in storage and what they plan to make as to balance the surging/weakening demand. Maybe they were short of certain wood criteria they need to offer for the 60th a while back and focused on other models as such? I've seen this happen over and over again and I don't see the difference in a way that would make the 60th all the more lusted after in what year it' made, unless you have the premium Murphy Lab historic's of all historic's to date with only less that 100 made for world consumption. 🤑 :ROFLMAO::oops:
 

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I am certainly not arguing that 60th is the last Historic LP that will ever be made, but no one can predict future values. Gibson has made curious and catastrophic decisions before. They could certainly do it again.

What if someone in 1959 had said, "there is nothing special about the 59s? They have made them for years, will make them next year, then they will be on clearance racks--and will make them from 1968-2021 (and beyond). Who cares about a 59?" Again, i am not saying they for sure WILL be valuable in the future but would never go as far as to say they will not. Factors entirely out of the control of any of us can make prices skyrocket. Gibson going broke (again), some ban on mahogany or Rosewood, another global pandemic, places like Guitar Center going broke (again) and disrupting sales, etc, etc. Hard to make predictions because they are about the future...(Yogi Berra said that)
I can predict the future...
There were ruffly 1700 Burst built in 1958 1959 1960. Thats tree years.
Historics have been around now for 28 years. There are most likely millions buy now.
I can tell you that the 60th Anversary Historic will neva be collectable guitar.
There is nothing different about a Anversary, VOS, True Historic, on and on. There marketing names.
 

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I have been at this for 28 years and see the same posts.
Proclaiming this year Historic is it...
This is the good wood. This is when they got it right.
Remember 2002?
Remember 2003?
Same story different year...
 

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There is a chance for the NORLIN era and pancake bodies to become the next collectables but the historic are just another version closely copied from the original real McCoy, not in our lifetime at least and sad to say. So whatever is left from the first run from the 50's are done.
That is the coveted holy grail period.
 

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Not expecting any great fortune here. Just less made in 2020. I would argue these are not 40th or 50th anniversaries. Neither had Historic specs. MAybe nice tops but Gibson has made great improvements in the last few years. See Discussions above
So a Historic has no Historic spec? What?
Dude. The guitars have been structurally the same since 2003.
The only change to the line has been truss rod condom removed, and hide glue for the neck.
Historics today have upgraded parts that we all fought for on this forum ove 15 years ago.
 

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Why can't people buy a guitar and play it?
Why are people so hell bent on there guitar becoming the next 600k burst of the future....
My god.
I was offered vintage many times and turned them down.
Im not interested in making money im interested in playing.
I want a burst mad correctly that is not 600k....
Because i want to use the dam thing.

There is one problem with the vintage market.
It puts dalla signs in peoples eyes and they forget these are instruments.
To make music with.
🙄🙄🙄🙄
 

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The guitar, in particular, is such a good one — a popular instrument among musicians. Learning to play it is not very difficult, even on your own. But the sound, first of all, will depend on the quality of the musical instrument. During the covid, I also decided to learn to play the guitar. It was difficult for me to study by video and I even studied with a teacher. But then I accidentally got sick with covid, I don't know how I did it at all. But when I saw a positive test from https://www.confirmbiosciences.com/covid19-sars-antigen-rapid-swab-test/and completely abandoned ditara. It was difficult for me to do absolutely everything.
 
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