• Guys, we've spent considerable money converting the Les Paul Forum to this new XenForo platform, and we have ongoing monthly operating expenses. THE "DONATIONS" TAB IS NOW WORKING, AND WE WOULD APPRECIATE ANY DONATIONS YOU CAN MAKE TO KEEP THE LES PAUL FORUM GOING! Thank you!

Hey Pedal Geeks!

Ed A

Well-known member
Joined
Jul 16, 2001
Messages
4,634
OK... wonder if anyone has invented yet a pedal that I need... Ive had Klon, Rat, Catlinbread, old bluesbreaker, super overdrive and more and still havent found what Im looking for to solve my problem... Here is the issue: My gigging amp is a Tech 21 Trademark 60 with a vintage JBL D120... dont crucify me for playing solid state.... I have an all original 69 100w plexi, a Friedman, a Royal Jimmy Page Hiwatt, modded Blues Jr and Ive had Matchless, Bogner, Blockhead and bunch of vintage Fenders and Marshalls... but these days with my age, bad back, effed up shoulders, the Tech 21 serves me well and is surprisingly close to perfect.... its versatile, light weight, great tone at any volume.... But the one thing that is NOT perfect is that although it has great gain and sustain (I can get a really great vintage type Marshall tone out of it) its just a little TOO smooth sounding! Missing a bit of that loose grind...

SO..... has anyone invented a pedal that will not change the tone of my amp or add more gain but will add just a little bit of rasp and edge?... I wanna be clear that Im NOT looking to play the amp clean and use this pedal to simulate a driving amp... the amp will be already driving and the pedal will just add some grit... this would be a leave on all the time pedal.... THAT IS THE QUESTION FOR YOU ALL!.... thanks!
 
Last edited:

jrgtr42

Well-known member
Joined
Mar 24, 2005
Messages
2,173
Maybe a fuzz box of some sort may help?
|I seem to recall that one of the big pedal builders, Boss or DOD, years ago had an analog (for lack of a better word) pedal, that IIRC would give a bit more oompf to a solid state amp.
I could be making that up out of my head, though., it would have been easily 25+ years ago.
 

renderit

Well-known member
Joined
Jan 19, 2009
Messages
10,227
Origin Effects Cali 76. Perfect. For ANY amp.

Hell, they even make DRUMMERS sound better.

Also an Origin Effects Revival Drive.
 
  • Like
Reactions: TM1

Ed A

Well-known member
Joined
Jul 16, 2001
Messages
4,634
Origin Effects Cali 76. Perfect. For ANY amp.

Hell, they even make DRUMMERS sound better.

Also an Origin Effects Revival Drive.
Thanks for the opinion!.. I wanna be clear that Im NOT looking to play the amp clean and use this pedal to simulate a driving amp... the amp will be already driving and the pedal will just add some grit... you still think that this one would be good for that purpose?
 
  • Like
Reactions: TM1

CK6

Active member
Joined
Feb 5, 2020
Messages
258
OK... wonder if anyone has invented yet a pedal that I need... Ive had Klon, Rat, Catlinbread, old bluesbreaker, super overdrive and more and still havent found what Im looking for to solve my problem... Here is the issue: My gigging amp is a Tech 21 Trademark 60 with a vintage JBL D120... dont crucify me for playing solid state.... I have an all original 69 100w plexi, a Friedman, a Royal Jimmy Page Hiwatt, modded Blues Jr and Ive had Matchless, Bogner, Blockhead and bunch of vintage Fenders and Marshalls... but these days with my age, bad back, effed up shoulders, the Tech 21 serves me well and is surprisingly close to perfect.... its versatile, light weight, great tone at any volume.... But the one thing that is NOT perfect is that although it has great gain and sustain (I can get a really great vintage type Marshall tone out of it) its just a little TOO smooth sounding! Missing a bit of that loose grind...

SO..... has anyone invented a pedal that will not change the tone of my amp or add more gain but will add just a little bit of rasp and edge?... I wanna be clear that Im NOT looking to play the amp clean and use this pedal to simulate a driving amp... the amp will be already driving and the pedal will just add some grit... this would be a leave on all the time pedal.... THAT IS THE QUESTION FOR YOU ALL!.... thanks!
Hi Ed, what about the Wampler Tumnus? I haven’t used it with a solid state amp but it may do the trick.

Do you guys mike the guitar amps when you play? If so, you could get a Fender Pro Junior as it is light and sounds great.

Cheers
 

ourmaninthenorth

Well-known member
Joined
Mar 28, 2009
Messages
6,759
Ed, what about a Rangemaster, or a Tone Bender?

BAE do a combined pedal with both called a Hot Fuzz, a Rangemaster on one channel and a MK4 Tonebender on the other.

I've got one and use it as you describe to supply a bit of hair on an almost clipping amp.

Shame you're not in the UK, I'd be delighted to send it over for a few weeks so you could experiment and see if it does the job you're looking for.

zx15KHl.jpg



 
Last edited:

zacknorton

Active member
Joined
Aug 26, 2011
Messages
557
Acclam Dr. Robert. or even better... pharmerfx on instagram get his version called "abbey road". INCREDIBLE pedal.

holy shit! ourmaninthenorth!!! your pedal board is making me dizzy. Big Trees! and that delay!!! what' the Neve looking pedal?
 

ourmaninthenorth

Well-known member
Joined
Mar 28, 2009
Messages
6,759
Acclam Dr. Robert. or even better... pharmerfx on instagram get his version called "abbey road". INCREDIBLE pedal.

holy shit! ourmaninthenorth!!! your pedal board is making me dizzy. Big Trees! and that delay!!! what' the Neve looking pedal?
That's the BAE Hot Fuzz mate.
 

el84ster

Well-known member
Joined
Sep 10, 2001
Messages
1,392
If I were on this same quest, I’d look for a pedal that was basically a clean gain stage but that would be biased to promote odd order harmonics and a touch of grind.

Not sure what’s out there that does that, but that sounds like the direction you need to go. I’ve built several boxes with a single 12ax7 for a similar reason but not sure what’s available commercially.

Actually, a range master type pedal but with a flat response (just a cap swap) could probably do this very well. Would give you the harmonics that tend to be missing with SS amps.
 

Wilko

All Access/Backstage Pass
Joined
Mar 11, 2002
Messages
19,988
I know, I know... very common pedal, but get great results like you're describing with a Keeley modded Blues Driver. About 1/8 turn of the gain knob. I'm not using it with SS, but with all of my amps running a medium grit sound. I'll hit this as a slight lead boost or to play dirtier than my regular "Mike Campell-ish" tone.

Here's a sample. You'll see me step on it at about :28. adds a tiny bit more of that fizzy "hair" at the top of the the tone.
Amp is Marshall 2204 into ~1970 basketweave with two original and two 55hz RI greenbacks.

 
Last edited:

renderit

Well-known member
Joined
Jan 19, 2009
Messages
10,227
Thanks for the opinion!.. I wanna be clear that Im NOT looking to play the amp clean and use this pedal to simulate a driving amp... the amp will be already driving and the pedal will just add some grit... you still think that this one would be good for that purpose?
The Cali 76 just flat out makes everything sound better.
No drive added.
You notice nice harmonics from the simulated tube compression it nails perfectly.
I mean it when I say EVERYTHING just sounds better through it.


The Revival Drive can be used to just add flavor all the way up to making a Deluxe sound like a fully cobbed Marshal stack.
It is awesome in that respect, but is a Swiss Army knife for tone in the right hands.


I might also suggest a Slide rig from Origin Effects.
It is like 2 Cali's chained together to let you dirt it up even more.


I have all three.

I would ditch all my others and keep these certainly.
I almost never play without the Cali, Slide Rig or Revival Drive.

I honestly think Origin Effects equipment is the best built equipment out there BY A MILE.
 
Last edited:

corpse

Well-known member
Joined
Jun 9, 2007
Messages
4,306
Ed- last year i bought a Way Huge Overrated Special (Joe B was involved in the development). What you mention is what it was designed to do- and they are inexpensive. I use it at low volume with other OD pedals- mixing distortion with OD, or fuzz, or sometimes even by itself. It was specifically designed to use in conjunction with an overdriven amp. I love it.
 

Ed A

Well-known member
Joined
Jul 16, 2001
Messages
4,634
Hey guys, thanks for all of the great suggestions and videos etc.!… I decided to try first the Earthquaker Speaker Cranker… It’s on its way to me. Company description says it adds grit without changing the tone and every demo I’ve heard it seems to do just that… Will try that first and if not it’ll get sold and I’ll try another one of the suggestions here… Many thanks!
 

JLee

Member
Joined
Nov 27, 2010
Messages
75
The Timmy can get pretty gritty with the drive turned up. It’s claim to fame is it’s ability to be a transparent boost, but I preferred it for its grit as an overdrive.
 

El Gringo

Well-known member
Joined
Apr 8, 2015
Messages
4,801
I know, I know... very common pedal, but get great results like you're describing with a Keeley modded Blues Driver. About 1/8 turn of the gain knob. I'm not using it with SS, but with all of my amps running a medium grit sound. I'll hit this as a slight lead boost or to play dirtier than my regular "Mike Campell-ish" tone.

Here's a sample. You'll see me step on it at about :28. adds a tiny bit more of that fizzy "hair" at the top of the the tone.
Amp is Marshall 2204 into ~1970 basketweave with two original and two 55hz RI greenbacks.

Oh Amy wow , It's been so long since I heard Amy ! Such a good rocking version . Love your tone and playing ! Which Les Paul are you using ? and may I ask what are the pickups ? Vocals sound just like Craig Fuller's from Pure Prairie League . Your video is awesome , as it looks like you are having the best fun !
 

Wilko

All Access/Backstage Pass
Joined
Mar 11, 2002
Messages
19,988
Which Les Paul are you using ? and may I ask what are the pickups ? Vocals sound just like Craig Fuller's from Pure Prairie League . Your video is awesome , as it looks like you are having the best fun !
Thanks for the kind words. Very silly version with exagerrated moves and all. Totally fun gig. Dec 5 this year!

That is the 1956 that I Bursted. 1961 PAFs.


I sold to it member "Progear" He refinished it
 

El Gringo

Well-known member
Joined
Apr 8, 2015
Messages
4,801
Thanks for the kind words. Very silly version with exagerrated moves and all. Totally fun gig. Dec 5 this year!

That is the 1956 that I Bursted. 1961 PAFs.


I sold to it member "Progear" He refinished it
Oh my goodness no wonder the tone is so rich along with your playing as you are totally rocking and having a blast which is most infectious in the best way possible ! Bravo !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

Sol

Active member
Joined
Oct 26, 2001
Messages
775
Way Huge Red Llama, provides grit without..erm.. fussing with your tone..

If not, have you considered paying the original Marshall Bluesbreaker another call ? Its not as transparent as the Red Llama, but subtle grit is its middle name..

All the very best.
 

Stephens

Member
Joined
Dec 30, 2001
Messages
407
Ed- last year i bought a Way Huge Overrated Special (Joe B was involved in the development). What you mention is what it was designed to do- and they are inexpensive. I use it at low volume with other OD pedals- mixing distortion with OD, or fuzz, or sometimes even by itself. It was specifically designed to use in conjunction with an overdriven amp. I love it.
+1

This has been my main OD since they first came out about 5 years ago. Really works well when you already have the amp cooking. Joe showed me how to set it up and I’ve been sold since!
 

DrewB

Well-known member
Joined
Jul 15, 2001
Messages
1,271
Colorsound Overdriver sounds like what you're after to me. Strat first, skip ahead for Les Paul.

 
Top