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what was Gibson thinking when they designed the Burstbuckers ?

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Konrad -

curious - have you ever tried a non potted low wind after market pup in any of them such as a Lollar imperial or a killer hand wound like a wolftone ?

Have you ever tried anything like a Japanese Dry-Z pickup ?

Have you tried a Gibson Custom Bucker in any of those guitars ?

Tell me you love the BB vs the Custom buckers - if that is a true statement ......
 

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My 2009 that came with Burstbuckers. Sounds like shit. Right? <note sarcasm>

 

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Konrad -

curious - have you ever tried a non potted low wind after market pup in any of them such as a Lollar imperial or a killer hand wound like a wolftone ?

Have you ever tried anything like a Japanese Dry-Z pickup ?

Have you tried a Gibson Custom Bucker in any of those guitars ?

Tell me you love the BB vs the Custom buckers - if that is a true statement ......
Yes I tried some 2020 R8 and R9s in a guitar shop and compared it to my R8 Lemon, they didn´t convince me. But that´s only my impression. Maybe the older they get the better they sound.
 

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My 2009 that came with Burstbuckers. Sounds like shit. Right? <note sarcasm>


Ok Pat -

whats YOUR take on the Custom Buckers vs Burst Buckers ?

and why did Gibson - they themselves - dump the bursts for the customs ?

are you saying Gibson does not know what they are doing ?

(if the burst buckers were the cats ass - why change them ?)
 

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I know that nobody cares what I think - particularly Pat

so let take a look at a real "shoot-out "

they say a video is "worth one million words "

to my ears in the video - and in real life - the BB sound kind of flat and dull - but you decide for yourself

 

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Ok Pat -

whats YOUR take on the Custom Buckers vs Burst Buckers ?

and why did Gibson - they themselves - dump the bursts for the customs ?

are you saying Gibson does not know what they are doing ?

(if the burst buckers were the cats ass - why change them ?)
Ok chucklenuts. Show me where Gibson has "dumped" the Burstbucker? The Custombucker is made (supposedly) closer to vintage spec. Does this mean they sound better? No. Not at all. For example, 57 Classics sound great. A very underrated pickup. As a matter of fact, we just got in some M2M, silver sparkle ES-335s loaded with 57s. Not Custombuckers.

It's all about taste, not what you are telling us what we should like or dislike.
 

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Ok chucklenuts. Show me where Gibson has "dumped" the Burstbucker? The Custombucker is made (supposedly) closer to vintage spec. Does this mean they sound better? No. Not at all. For example, 57 Classics sound great. A very underrated pickup. As a matter of fact, we just got in some M2M, silver sparkle ES-335s loaded with 57s. Not Custombuckers.

It's all about taste, not what you are telling us what we should like or dislike.
PAT -

If you like the idea of putting POLY wire that has been dyed to look like its proper vintage ENAMEL wire in a $6000 dollar guitar - who am I to tell you that you are wrong ?

Because Gibson WAS using proper enamel wire and STOPPED in 2006 - switching to dopey poly wire - even in those 57s

There are some pre 2006 UNPOTTED enamel wire burstbuckers out there that were never put in guitars - only sold as after market items - that I would guess sound better - most folks will not have those in their guitars.

But at least Gibson got together with famous pick-up maker Ron Ellis to create a more vintage - clearer and more transparent sound pickup -the " Custombucker" because they knew the Burstbuckers were not right.

Or perhaps you think guys such as the legendary pickup maker Jason Lollar were Dummies and produced real enamel wire - after market pick-ups - such as the "Imperial humbucker" when there was no reason - as Gibson had nailed it with the Burstbucker ?
 
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The Burstbuckers in the Lemonburst Marshall 1974X video sound very good. But with pickups and guitars it’s always about the synergistic relationship.

That said, I have found that for me, Custombuckers are a definite improvement over the standard issue Burstbuckers. Althoung I ended up replacing many of the Custombuckers with Rewinds, OX4s, Stephens Design, Wizz which tonally I preferred. I will say, the most recent two Historics, I purchased 2020/21, the Custombuckers in those Historics sounded so good, I had no desire to swap them out. They really capture that vocal dry woody PAF sound.

Afaic, Gibson has come a long way with their pickups. The recent Custombuckers from the few I tried definitely hang in there with the best boutique and vintage PAFs/Pat# pickups
 
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WHATA GREAT THREAD - GOING STRONG ONE YEAR LATER ,,,,,,

folks - if you really want to learn about humbuckers I can highly recommend you check out this book

I would be extremely surprised if you did not think it was worth your money ...... it will take you from internet myth to reality

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PAT -

If you like the idea of putting POLY wire that has been dyed to look like its proper vintage ENAMEL wire in a $6000 dollar guitar - who am I to tell you that you are wrong ?

Because Gibson WAS using proper enamel wire and STOPPED in 2006 - switching to dopey poly wire - even in those 57s

There are some pre 2006 UNPOTTED enamel wire burstbuckers out there that were never put in guitars - only sold as after market items - that I would guess sound better - most folks will not have those in their guitars.

But at least Gibson got together with famous pick-up maker Ron Ellis to create a more vintage - clearer and more transparent sound pickup -the " Custombucker" because they knew the Burstbuckers were not right.

Or perhaps you think guys such as the legendary pickup maker Jason Lollar were Dummies and produced real enamel wire - after market pick-ups - such as the "Imperial humbucker" when there was no reason - as Gibson had nailed it with the Burstbucker ?
I don't care what they are made of if they sound great. Again, go back to the song I posted and tell me how the wire makes that tone suck.
 

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I don't care what they are made of if they sound great. Again, go back to the song I posted and tell me how the wire makes that tone suck.
I guess you did not read the thread - a number of people agreed with me - you dont - oh well ......... I can live with that :LOL:
 
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