1960 Les Paul SG standard?

[jimmi]

View attachment 29285I went to look at a car and asked if he had any guitars and sure enough he had a bunch. This one looks very interesting. I have seen a few 1960 SG‘s that have the “C “serial number which may be a zero that wasn’t stamped well. The pick ups look like PAF but unfortunately they have been modified for split coil which is a shame. Of course the sideways vibrola was removed and a toggle switch was installed which also hurts the value. I can’t see any numbers on the potentiometers.

Can anyone confirm for sure, without guessing please, that these are real PAF’s and it’s a real 1960 guitar?

Thank you for any help.

My first vintage LP had the neck PAF tapped for splitting and out of phase. I liked it a lot. Unfortunately the tapped pickup failed eventually and then I was not willing to hack into another pickup. Looks like a great guitar. Enjoy

 

[Sheyamax]

Sorry, I was unintentionally misleading, mine is an early ‘61 which is essentially the same spec as this one (which is what I meant by I have one if these). Still happy to post pictures though.

That would be great! I've seen early '61 with '60 specs ("stepped" body-neck joint and long pickguard) up to the 22xx range. Is yours one of these?

 

[jimmi]

That would be great! I've seen early '61 with '60 specs ("stepped" body-neck joint and long pickguard) up to the 22xx range. Is yours one of these?

The serial number starts with 16 if I remember correctly. I need to look at the heel again. Hate to admit it but it is t a detail I remember. I bought the guitar totally stripped of parts and restored it …I had to use a repro pickguard because I couldn’t get the vintage examples to fit. Maybe it is because it needs an earlier guard. I will pull it out and look when I get home

 

[Bruce R]

My educated guess is it's not a "C" but a poorly stamped "0" ...
To me it looks like a real 1960 SG with real PAF's.

Exactly. Zoom in on the s/n photo and it does indeed appear to be a "0" and not a "C." Good catch! Beautiful guitar. Enjoy!

 

[analogmike]

Excellent score, Mike!
Please let us know how the restoration goes.
Btw, how much does this one weigh?

it looks like it’s just about 7 pounds. Not a light weight, probably medium weight?

 

[blueline]

I am a little late to this thread. I present a 1960 Les Paul sg serial number 0-12104 with "C" and a 1960 Special , 0-12202. These are late numbers and I suppose the zero stamp was getting worn out.

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[blueline]

It is good to see another 1960 LPsg surface. The colour looks good not too faded, almost pinkish. The heel is correct 1960 and looks intact. The TC is correct no Les Paul script and PAFS. I do not know what to make of that PAF Mode. However , that stoptail is an eye sore. It just looks so wrong. It might have been worth keeping if it was in the right place but this has to go. I think putting a sideways on there will cover up those stop tail holes. The consequence of removing the sideways it that the ground wire is now attached to the bridge posts. Putting the tail piece back on should fix that. Did you get the original case that should have been brown with pink inside?
How is that neck profile? most of the these LPs have a 10 inch radius and not a 12 and some have 9.
Well done on this acquition. I suspect that most people who have had this guitar did not know what it was. And the C misread did not help.

 

[Sheyamax]

I am a little late to this thread. I present a 1960 Les Paul sg serial number 0-12104 with "C" and a 1960 Special , 0-12202. These are late numbers and I suppose the zero stamp was getting worn out.

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Thanks for these pictures! Do you mind telling us more about these guitars? Following your work we are trying to document these late 1960 Les Paul New Style, if you care to help us: https://everythingsg.com/threads/questions-about-a-“sg-serial”-website-project.40304/#post-589680

 

[blueline]

These are pictures from my database and really I do not know much about them. The pictures were to show that a pooply stamped zero was not uncommon. The 1960 Les Paul sg serial number 0-12104 shows all the chractersitics of a the "new" 1960 Les Paul Model. I think it just might be the latest serial number I have in my database so far. The guitar I called a Special is incorrect. When I checked the serial number it was actually an1960 Les Paul Junior . The Special I was thinking of has its orginal tag stamped as "SG SPECIAL RED".

 

[Sheyamax]

These are pictures from my database and really I do not know much about them. The pictures were to show that a pooply stamped zero was not uncommon. The 1960 Les Paul sg serial number 0-12104 shows all the chractersitics of a the "new" 1960 Les Paul Model. I think it just might be the latest serial number I have in my database so far. The guitar I called a Special is incorrect. When I checked the serial number it was actually an1960 Les Paul Junior . The Special I was thinking of has its orginal tag stamped as "SG SPECIAL RED".

Just to make sure I am not misconstruing your words: 0 12104 is a 1960 Les Paul Standard "New Style" while 0 12202 is a Les Paul Junior "Old Style", right? While you are here I have a couple more questions for you. First, do you have any more information about 010634 and 011185? There is not a lot of information available about these guitars. Second, do you know where the pictures of 0 8765 (the ones with a purple background) come from? I'm assuming it's Vintage Guitars Magazine but I might be wrong.

 

[blueline]

Just to make sure I am not misconstruing your words: 0 12104 is a 1960 Les Paul Standard "New Style" while 0 12202 is a Les Paul Junior "Old Style", right? While you are here I have a couple more questions for you. First, do you have any more information about 010634 and 011185? There is not a lot of information available about these guitars. Second, do you know where the pictures of 0 8765 (the ones with a purple background) come from? I'm assuming it's Vintage Guitars Magazine but I might be wrong.

Correct, the 0-12104 is the New Style Les Paul Standard but I would not say the Junior was an "old style" as the Junior had ready changed from a single to double cutaway in 1959 but retained the thick body. But yeah, it had not changed into the sculpted version at this point.
I do not have any information on 0-10634 or 0-11185. The LP 0-8765 is a known early LP that came from France via Matt's Guitar shop. The pictures all come from the Reverb sale from 10 years ago.

 

[Subliminal lanimilbuS]

I have seen a pressed in Gibson 4 or 5 digit serial beginning with a C from roughly the same period so I wouldn't write this off as being a poorly printed 0. The inner shape and size of the C in your picture, also, does not match up with it being a 0.

 

[blueline]

I have seen a pressed in Gibson 4 or 5 digit serial beginning with a C from roughly the same period so I wouldn't write this off as being a poorly printed 0. The inner shape and size of the C in your picture, also, does not match up with it being a 0.

I am not sure what you mean the same period, you mean 1960? Please submit your pictures so I can see what you mean by a C serial number.

 

[Subliminal lanimilbuS]

I am not sure what you mean the same period, you mean 1960? Please submit your pictures so I can see what you mean by a C serial number.

Saw it several years ago. Early 60's. I will try and find it or another example.