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1965 SG Standard - a little help please

latestarter

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Hi all.

I have an early wide nut '65 SG that I'm trying to set a price for a friend to buy. we're both struggling because of the following attributes;
- Headstock broken and well repaired.
- Heel broken and well repaired.
- Cavity broken, and yes, well repaired.
- Stop tail, maybe twice drilled into the top? Various other bridges etc. Was originally a Bigsby and is now again.

All electronics, incl. pickups are original (they are original pickups - but the neck reads 8.0k and the bridge7.9k) . Tuners original. Bridge is a modern Gibson ABR.

It plays and sound fantastic. Punchy, bright, but with plenty of 3D vibe going on...not just shrill SG/T Top madness.

Original busted case.

Feel free to send me a private message if you have a view, and don't want to publish it. Thanks in advance team...I normally wouldn't ask this sort of thing, but this is challenging.

Images coming.
 

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All repairs are solid. Colour matching for repair areas spray is good.
 

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You'll see an original bridge in there. That's not included at this stage. The more worn/brassy one is what it will sell with.

That's one of Dan's awesome guards on there. I do have the original but it has the normal broken tip, and it's warped.
 

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Hi all.

I have an early wide nut '65 SG that I'm trying to set a price for a friend to buy. we're both struggling because of the following attributes;
- Headstock broken and well repaired.
- Heel broken and well repaired.
- Cavity broken, and yes, well repaired.
- Stop tail, maybe twice drilled into the top? Various other bridges etc. Was originally a Bigsby and is now again.

All electronics, incl. pickups are original (they are original pickups - but the neck reads 8.0k and the bridge7.9k) . Tuners original. Bridge is a modern Gibson ABR.

It plays and sound fantastic. Punchy, bright, but with plenty of 3D vibe going on...not just shrill SG/T Top madness.

Original busted case.

Feel free to send me a private message if you have a view, and don't want to publish it. Thanks in advance team...I normally wouldn't ask this sort of thing, but this is challenging.

Images coming.
My guess: Price it at new “Murphy Lab SG reissue with Heavy Aged” plus $1000 and then subtract $500 for the busted case. That’s about $7500 USD.

That seems expensive - but it’s 2023 and the days of cheap old Gibsons are far behind us!

You’re right, it is challenging!!

Link: Murphy Lab SGs
 

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Thanks for this.

I think given the extent of the repaired damage one might need to discount a little more.

Interested if there are any other views out there. Thanks
 

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You probably need to start at 50% of an undamaged one in comparable condition. Those resistance readings are high for that era, so if you're sure the pickups are original, I would suspect they've been rewound unless you measured them at a very high ambient temperature. Original Pat. No. Gibsons should read about 7.2k -7.8k @ 68° from what I've seen. So there might be some extra discount for that, the non-original bridge as well as the "busted case."
 

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Nice !!!
It all depends on how good of a friend he is ;)
Cheers - it has gone to a good home, and I owed him a few beers.

Albert, the bridge pickup is/was definitely original...and never opened. So, it was either an oddity, or possibly pre T...more likely an oddity. The neck one may have had a different mag...it looked too long to be a Pat No. So maybe someone slotted a 50's one in their way back.
 

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Cheers - it has gone to a good home, and I owed him a few beers.

Albert, the bridge pickup is/was definitely original...and never opened. So, it was either an oddity, or possibly pre T...more likely an oddity. The neck one may have had a different mag...it looked too long to be a Pat No. So maybe someone slotted a 50's one in their way back.
I have had several SG's from that era (63-65) with original not rewound HB p.u.'s.
One measured 6.7 Kohms, and one 7.9, and some the more often found 7.6 Kohm. A friend also had/has several with same range in Kohms, and we have talked a lot about this subject. I think the really consistent readings comes later in the sixties.

BTW yours would be nickel plated right? 99% chance they are pre T-tops :)
 
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You probably need to start at 50% of an undamaged one in comparable condition. Those resistance readings are high for that era, so if you're sure the pickups are original, I would suspect they've been rewound unless you measured them at a very high ambient temperature. Original Pat. No. Gibsons should read about 7.2k -7.8k @ 68° from what I've seen. So there might be some extra discount for that, the non-original bridge as well as the "busted case."
Strange.. I once re-soldered a 1965 SG HB cover and while the baseplate was still a bit warm, I measured the pickup to ca.
5 Kohms (!) I was very relieved when I later again could read 7.5 Kohms. So I guess it's the other way round, they read less when warmed up?

Which makes sense (to me at least) because the wire material expands a tiny bit when warmed up, meaning less resistance, right?
 
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Cheers - it has gone to a good home, and I owed him a few beers.

Albert, the bridge pickup is/was definitely original...and never opened. So, it was either an oddity, or possibly pre T...more likely an oddity. The neck one may have had a different mag...it looked too long to be a Pat No. So maybe someone slotted a 50's one in their way back.
Looks like the bridge cover has slight pry areas to me ..but then again I don’t have it in handIMG_0870.jpegIMG_0870.jpeg
 
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