Factory black '60 Junior.

[rob livesey]

A dealer here in the UK has what he claims to be a factory black '60 Junior.

Rare as hens teeth as we say in UK.

What do you guys reckon?

http://www.audiotoyshop.com/store/p217/1960_Gibson_Les_Paul_Junior_factory_BLACK___HSC.html

Discuss........

Rob.

 

[CDaughtry]

Dave Hinson at Killer Vintage also has/had one...:jim

 

[latestarter]

That's cool!

 

[oldsongs]

With a custom color guitar, nothing makes me more uncomfortable than some kind of strangeness with the serial number. A stamped serial number on a dark Gibson finish should be yellowish. On this one a yellowish color is painted over the darker stamped numbers underneath.

But if that wasn't enough to make you go hmmm, just look in detail at the photos. You can see cherry red color still there in some of the screw holes and under some of the paint chips. I know mahogany is a reddish wood, but the more I look, the more cherry I see.

 

[66SuperTremMKIV]

Did they use BB Caps in '60 ? Last two digits on the pot 53 ?

Rare or not, you could buy a nice Cherry D/C and '56 S/C for that price......... I'd be happy with that. The black genuine or not just looks like a refin to me.

 

[wizardmc]

Not just a refin.

 

[richard henry]

Calm down fellas, our very own TW59 saw it at Dallas, as did Dave Hinson who had his 61 at the show for comparison, Terry Mueller looked at it, Jay Rosen, and a whole host of others, and all said it looked legit.

Mike Long is the seller, he's one of the good guys. Killer guitar! :dude:

 

[richard henry]

 

[brandtkronholm]

Freaky.
It's beyond my experience to say factory original or not.
I'll defer to the experts.

 

[richard henry]

Bring your expert :ganz

 

[sikoniko]

The blackburst was black painted over sunburst, why is it not plausible this is the same scenario? I guess the hard part is proving it without an original receipt stating that it was black to the original owner?

pretty cool. I still like Joe Perry's single cut black special more though :dude:.

 

[latestarter]

I'm thinking my refin '56 Special might need to become a black refin now....

 

[62lespauljr]

Sweet guitar. It looks to me like they may have at least red pore filled or sprayed on top a red guitar. Either way If all those guys said its legit, its legit. Cool to see the sunburst and two black DC jrs turn up in one show.:dude:

 

[brandtkronholm]

How far spat are the serial numbers?
Do these two guitars share any common hallmarks?


Sometimes I think all Gibsons should be black.


Except for when they should be red.


Unless they should be sunburst.


Or blonde.

 

[richard henry]

Sweet guitar. It looks to me like they may have at least red pore filled or sprayed on top a red guitar. Either way If all those guys said its legit, its legit. Cool to see the sunburst and two black DC jrs turn up in one show.:dude:

spot on mate.

 

[richard henry]

This guitar won't hang around long. You watch. And if you want one of the two Dave has, you'll need $25k. Custom colour black Gibsons are ultra rare, I sold a factory black ES-330 for similar money and I know of only 4 others, Keith has one, Bernard Butler has one, Pierre DeBeauport has two, one with gold hardware. This is one of only 3 known black Juniors, and, IMO way way more cooler than the sunburst that showed up last weekend.

 

[62lespauljr]

Was the other one red underneath too?

 

[oldsongs]

So what's up with the serial number?

 

[Tom Wittrock]

Calm down fellas, our very own TW59 saw it at Dallas, as did Dave Hinson who had his 61 at the show for comparison, Terry Mueller looked at it, Jay Rosen, and a whole host of others, and all said it looked legit.

Mike Long is the seller, he's one of the good guys. Killer guitar! :dude:

Yes, several of us examined it, and I know Mike looked even deeper when he had time.
He and I talked about the serial number. I think it is very unusual, but I also feel it is legit, and will continue to until shown differently.
I believe it was a walk in at the show, and I think Mike made a great buy.
And, Mike is a really nice guy! :dude:

 

[Tom Wittrock]

So what's up with the serial number?

We can all speculate about how it ended up looking like that, including both schools of thought [bogus or legitimate].

My best guess so far .... it was numbered in black and then highlighted with yellow [or white, which yellowed].