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Nachobursts

clapciadrix

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Correct on the USA LPs, but Nacho is using Historic Reissues.

See above:

Please note we are NOT offering a conversion service for third party guitars, we are sourcing Gibson Les Paul reissues and put them through our conversion process.​
Just to be clear, “Les paul reissues” means Historic? I read nachos release and I didn’t see anything that cleared that up. I’d bet nacho is starting with a Historic reissue husk, but I’d like to see nacho say it.
 

jb_abides

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Just to be clear, “Les paul reissues” means Historic? I read nachos release and I didn’t see anything that cleared that up. I’d bet nacho is starting with a Historic reissue husk, but I’d like to see nacho say it.

Well, here and most everywhere in guitar communities, YES it does: Reissue = Custom Shop Historic Reissue.

New USA Standards are not referred to as 'Reissues' in any knowledgeable source or forum. Even folks on TGP are quite clear of the distinction.

I only know what Nacho stated on his Facebook post -- by way of clarification -- when asked about sourcing.

I posted this verbatim and provided a link, above. See Post 4.

If there's a translation error, or some other misunderstanding on Nacho's part, that's on him. We'll see when someone receives one and dissects it.

Since I am not ordering one, I haven't emailed him, but he does invite folks to contact him...
 

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Just to be clear, “Les paul reissues” means Historic? I read nachos release and I didn’t see anything that cleared that up. I’d bet nacho is starting with a Historic reissue husk, but I’d like to see nacho say it.

Gibson USA's website marketing verbiage uses the term - Les Paul Standard 50s. The details reference many reissue style terms: "A Classic, Reborn"; "It pays tribute to Gibson's Golden Era of innovation and brings authenticity back to life"; "50s-style mahogany neck with a rosewood fingerboard and trapezoid inlays". All of this alludes to a "reissue". Throw in some subjectivity due to language translation and there you are. His reissues being used are Gibson USA LPs.

The NachoBurst photos clearly show USA LPs being used for refinishing. Nothing wrong with that. A good opportunity for a more vintage looking LP at a competitive price (hopefully).
 

rockabilly69

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They are USA LPs with the term reissue being used loosely as Green Burst stated above.

When asked what Les Pauls he was sourcing for his nachobursts Nacho answered directly to a guy on instagram....

"nachoguitars
49w
@vilicich_watch GIBSON USA 50S REISSUE"

In Another instagram post from Nacho...
"@keeslewiszong yes I do believe its a combination BUT let me just say this, a $2500 Les Paul Reissue with our hardware, electronics, if we put real PAFs, sounds almost indentical to a real burst…"

Tell me one reissue that goes for $2500!

And finally, check out this page where they show the USA 50's Les Pauls after their carving. It is plainly obvious the husks are USA models!
 
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2500 on top of the guitar or is he buying the Les Pauls?
 

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If he acquires USA LPs via a discreet agreement with an official dealer he could take a part-out approach like the link below. Then setting up a way to discreetly resell the surplus parts would leave him with a husk similar to this at a cost that is probably much lower.


If the conversion charge were to be, say $2,500 he could have a final product priced around $4K. That would be a compelling option for people looking for an authentic "burst" with a proper top carve, real vintage style finish, and PAFish pickups.

You can probably pick your top, finish colour / fade, weight range, or request a flame top with a GT finish, etc. There would be many options that could be available with this conversion process strategy.
 

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They would still have a short tenon though. But, we've all experienced great playing and sounding USA LPs.
The modern "short tenon" is a CNC made (well fitted) joint that is quite good. I haven't played a modern Les Paul that didn't resonate as it should.
 

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If he acquires USA LPs via a discreet agreement with an official dealer he could take a part-out approach like the link below. Then setting up a way to discreetly resell the surplus parts would leave him with a husk similar to this at a cost that is probably much lower.


If the conversion charge were to be, say $2,500 he could have a final product priced around $4K. That would be a compelling option for people looking for an authentic "burst" with a proper top carve, real vintage style finish, and PAFish pickups.

You can probably pick your top, finish colour / fade, weight range, or request a flame top with a GT finish, etc. There would be many options that could be available with this conversion process strategy.
I would think they would be much more expensive than that looking at his Tele and Strat pricing.
 

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His Nachocasters are killer, so I can't see why he couldn't do work just as great on a LP?
 

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His Nachocasters are killer, so I can't see why he couldn't do work just as great on a LP?
I would think the same, I wonder if he has a deal with Gibson to get some light wood for the ones he's buying. And even if not, he's still taking wood away in the way they are carving the tops. The hardware and the nitro finish should be great too. And I know from experience how good his pickups are, so I wouldn't doubt that these LPs are going to be any less stellar. I'm anxious to see what people say about them.
 

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And finally, check out this page where they show the USA 50's Les Pauls after their carving. It is plainly obvious the husks are USA models!

Well, interesting isn't it?

From the Nacho 'PAF' website page which seems to correspond to his April 29th FB post... He's got pics where USA-sized holes with the bushings removed appear:

438851132_18345542269107112_6736597283628816455_n.jpg



Which would require him to re-situated bushings and use ABR-1 bridge adapters, or plug with some type of wood dowel then proceed with historic ABR-1 screw posts, right?

But elsewhere in his FB feed there are pics with no visible dowel plugs and histories ABR-1 posts. An example from his March 7th FB post, with the historic post and no evidence of prior USA bushing holes i.e. the wood looks untouched in that regard:

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Or are we seeing bigger dimension screws?

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Also, neck binding looks appropriately thin, is he replacing the entire fretboard...?

Weird board, no nibs?!


In his last November 19th FB post, he displays an ambiguous example... maybe a plugged post 'hidden' with aging:

467608363_18375487516107112_3549026650670381489_n.jpg
 
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rockabilly69

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Well, interesting isn't it?

From the Nacho 'PAF' website page which seems to correspond to his April 29th FB post... He's got pics where USA-sized holes with the bushings removed appear:

438851132_18345542269107112_6736597283628816455_n.jpg



Which would require him to re-situated bushings and use ABR-1 bridge adapters, or plug with some type of wood dowel then proceed with historic ABR-1 screw posts, right?

But elsewhere in his FB feed there are pics with no visible dowel plugs and histories ABR-1 posts. An example from his March 7th FB post, with the historic post and no evidence of prior USA bushing holes i.e. the wood looks untouched in that regard:

429553949_442488894795991_2926940423512584098_n.jpg


Or are we seeing bigger dimension screws?

View attachment 28215

Also, neck binding looks appropriately thin, is he replacing the entire fretboard...?


In his last November 19th FB post, he displays an ambiguous example... maybe a plugged post 'hidden' with aging:

467608363_18375487516107112_3549026650670381489_n.jpg
 

clapciadrix

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Well, interesting isn't it?

From the Nacho 'PAF' website page which seems to correspond to his April 29th FB post... He's got pics where USA-sized holes with the bushings removed appear:

438851132_18345542269107112_6736597283628816455_n.jpg



Which would require him to re-situated bushings and use ABR-1 bridge adapters, or plug with some type of wood dowel then proceed with historic ABR-1 screw posts, right?

But elsewhere in his FB feed there are pics with no visible dowel plugs and histories ABR-1 posts. An example from his March 7th FB post, with the historic post and no evidence of prior USA bushing holes i.e. the wood looks untouched in that regard:

429553949_442488894795991_2926940423512584098_n.jpg


Or are we seeing bigger dimension screws?

View attachment 28215

Also, neck binding looks appropriately thin, is he replacing the entire fretboard...?

Weird board, no nibs?!


In his last November 19th FB post, he displays an ambiguous example... maybe a plugged post 'hidden' with aging:

467608363_18375487516107112_3549026650670381489_n.jpg
Am I correct in assuming that the nacho-bursts will be short tenon, not hyde glue and a lower grade mahogany than the historic’s? If I’m mistaken about the specs, please let me know what I’m wrong about.
Gibson has done a great job bringing the Les paul back to’50’s specs, isn’t this a bit of a weird middle ground? The price will determine to me if I would be interested. If it costs as much or more than an official Gibson historic, remembering tariffs once it gets to USA, then I’m not sure it’s worth it. Resell might also be dicey.
 

hoss

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12K WTF?
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gmann

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Correct on the USA LPs, but Nacho is using Historic Reissues.

See above:

Please note we are NOT offering a conversion service for third party guitars, we are sourcing Gibson Les Paul reissues and put them through our conversion process.​
In the pic at the top of the thread the LP that Billy is holding is not a Historic RI.
 

GreenBurst

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Hmmm. Look how high the bridge pickup is sitting in the ring. Also, the ABR-1 has two thumbwheels per side and the stoptail is top wrapped. Must be a steep neck angle.
 

fakejazz

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12K WTF?
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At least from the pictures, this doesn't look very convincing. For that money, I'd rather get a new current reissue and a vintage blackface Deluxe Reverb 😏.
 

metropolis

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Worth noting there's a video Guitarpoint put up on Instagram of them unboxing the Nachoburst (including serial number 5) and they're in Gibson USA cases, not custom shop.
 
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