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PAF vs "new PAF"

DagK

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Hi, I'm new to this forum and my question may seem a bit odd to those of you who have debated this for some time now. I own a '95 Standard plus in which I plan to change pickups. In my search for good replacement pickups I've found the SD Seth Lover, Antiquities or maybe the 57 classics. All of these pickups have one bridge and one neck model. If i remember right (maybe I don't???) the original PAFs where the same pickup in both positions, no neck and bridge model? Any oppinions?
 

EdA

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Yes original PAFs were all the same, they just varied in output because of variations in the number of windings. Basically thats exactly whats going on with the new ones youre using. There is no difference in the neck and bridge model, other than the # of windings. All Duncan is doing for you is separating them so that you have a hotter one in the bridge. The same thing can be done with original PAFs but Gibson didnt bother...
 
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roadrunner

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pickups...

You're correct about the old days and pickups, Gibson used to wind them and put them in a bin, then the person installing the electronics would reach in the bin and pull out two pups per guitar (or three if it was a Custom). There was no delineation between "neck" and "bridge" pickups back then.
The reason pup manufacturers make a "bridge" and "neck" pup now is that some of those guitars from the old days had neck pups that sounded really loud, making it hard to adjust the two pickups to sound equal. A little research into why that occurred yielded the fact that the guitars that had a balanced sound, ie: both pups sounded the same, (one wasn't louder than the other) had a bridge pickup that had a little more output than the neck. Strings occilate (move) more over the neck pup, they don't move as far over the bridge pup because they are closer to the... bridge! The more the string moves, the more signal the pickup sees and this equals more volume.

Pickups are like women, we all like the ones we like for our own very personal reasons. Some sound sweet, some nasty, some are "chimey", some dark, bright, "woody"... there's a million words to describe the tone a pickup makes.
What kind of music do you play? If your into blues, you might want to try a pup with a slightly lower output, if you're into metal you might want the opposite and get a pup with alot of output.
As you can see, it's all very subjective.

The pickups you mentioned in your post are all very good pickups. Just remember tone is a product of a lot of things. Tone is basically in your hands, the wood of your guitar, the strings you chose, the amp you chose... what I trying to say is this: give Keith Richards any guitar and in a few minutes Keith will find "his" sound on it... and knowing Keith, it'll be a hell of sound! :dude
Good luck, and keep visiting this forum as there is alot of great info. here. :)
 

DagK

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Thanks!

Agree with Roadrunner on tone being a multi-variabel thing. I'm also aware of the fact that pickups today have different windings in response to the balance between the different positions on the guitar.

Do the forum members have unlimited funds in the hunt for perfrect tone? In my hometown, Bergen in Norway, I have to pay $300 for one Antiquity pickup. The others; about $200. I'm a real big fan of the tones Gary Moore got on "Blues for Greeny". Knowing he played his Peter Green Les Paul through a Bluesbreaker (+ being Gary Moore), which of the pickups do you feel capture the vintage vibe the best? Are the Antiq's really a $100 better (pr. pickup) than say the Seth Lover???

Great site! Nice pictures in the gallery!! Maybe I should sell my car and get a 59 reissue? They only cost around $10.000 in my part of the woods......
 

toni

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DagK,

geez ! things aren't cheap to buy in Norway....
do you have a friend in the US that could send those !@#*& pickups at a reasonable cost ?
...yes "moded" Antiquitys are way better than Seth Lover's, in my humble opinion, if you want something really exeptionnal, but all this is so subjective, you could ask to other guys here and have a completely different opinion. But geez !, it seems to be so expensive in your part of the woods !

BUT I also agree with you and Roadrunner, the Main Tone Variable IS THE PLAYER !
I like much better to hear a player with good soul on a (let's call it that way) average guitar, than a player that has nothing to communicate, on an exeptional guitar.
 
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Yelly

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I also own a 95 Standard Plus. I've replaced my stock pickups with Classic 57s. It did exactly what I wanted and I have no intention of trying anything else now! Expensive but no regrets.

I changed because I didn't like the stock bridge pickup as it was far too strong - even lowering it as far as it would go couldn't get what I wanted, which was identical peak output from both pickups into a clean amp. The 57s got it easy and are warmer and clearer - "it does exactly what it says on the tin". My sonic reference was Paul Kossoff/Gary Moore (first solo album, track "Don't believe a word"). The 57s are of similar output to the stock neck pickup. They come potted in their covers with just a signal + braided screen lead. The covers are nickel plated (unlike stock) which wear pretty fast but in a great looking way.

Gibson do make a Classic 57 Plus which is marginally more powerful for use in the bridge but I figured if you want the old sound then 2 identical pickups make sense.
 

DagK

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How much would a pair of Antiqs, Seth Lovers or 57's cost me in the U.S??

Anyone have a used pair of something interesting they plan to part with in the nearest future?
 

Dave Z

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Dag -

Check http://www.torresengineering.com/ for low prices on Duncan pickups.

For used prices, check Harmonycentral.com & check out the classifieds.

I've bought a few pickups via ebay, for example, duncan humbuckers for about $40.

New '59s are $66 at torres. He's get any duncan pickup, and will ship international, but:

"At present a bank transfer is the preferred method for making an overseas purchase."
 

roadrunner

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Money honey

I think guitars are cheaper here to make up for the women ;)... I got a high maintainence babe right now, man, that girl can go through some cash :eek... God Bless her heart (and her 34D's :dude)
 

toni

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...geez ! 34D's...moded magnets ? :lolspin
"...that girl can go through some cash..." is that the reason why you sold your old Burst Roadrunner ? :lol1
 
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Des Howl

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Roadrunner,

That's terrible! Still, I know what you mean, chief.

(Beebeep!)
 

roadrunner

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Modded magnets

Hey Toni... she's got stock :boobs :wow... no mods!

I sold the my last old 'burst to cover divorce :bonk expenses a couple of marriages ago :lol2 Oh well, sometimes you're the bug and sometimes you're the windshield :lol
 

toni

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:lolspin :lolspin :lolspin

lucky guy ! she's got stock OEM alnico V's ! :wow
...but seriously, i think i'll cut in my pickup's budget and buy some spare windshiels....i dont want to be the bug...:lol2
 
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Dag,

Yes, feel free to contact me on anything you need ......

Antiquity Humbuckers ... $97.50 each

Seth Lovers (Nickel Cover) ... $78.00 each

SD Original Series HB's .... $61.50 each

Shipping would be whatever the actual USPS postage is to get them to you. If I don't have what you need in stock I will be happy to order it for you.

John

www.blackrosecustom.emerchantpro.com

e:mail: blackrosecustom@home.com
 
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