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Peter Green LP for sale at Music Ground

madformac

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True, if it was just another Burst with issues. But this one belonged to Peter Green AND Gary Moore and the better examples don't. "Oh Well" was recorded with this one. "Still Got The Blues" was recorded with this one. This one is iconic, most better examples are not.

I used to think the same.

You are basing the value on the artistic work done on it and the sentiment, not on the merits of the instrument itself as it is today.

Peter didn't overly care about it as being special and under Gary Moore's tenure it had plastics changed, holes drilled etc etc so it was a tool for him also, he didn't take special care with it.

Had they had the same awe about it and had it on a pedestal like it is looked at today then those classic songs wouldn't have been recorded with it because it would have been treated with more care. It was a players guitar and a road dog, not an attic find.

Duane Allman's bursts are in glass cases, Same with Clapton's 335 and Blackie. It's RNR history and it should be placed in a similar environment, not touted around Denmark St (which I visit a lot incidentally) or other places looking for "the right buyer".
 

Cody

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I used to think the same.

You are basing the value on the artistic work done on it and the sentiment, not on the merits of the instrument itself as it is today.

Peter didn't overly care about it as being special and under Gary Moore's tenure it had plastics changed, holes drilled etc etc so it was a tool for him also, he didn't take special care with it.

Had they had the same awe about it and had it on a pedestal like it is looked at today then those classic songs wouldn't have been recorded with it because it would have been treated with more care. It was a players guitar and a road dog, not an attic find.
Two words: Hendrix.
 

Red Baron

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Outside of guitar geeks, most people in the world have no idea who Peter Green is.

Which is odd considering Fleetwood Mac supposedly outsold the Beatles and the Stones combined in 1969.

Then again everyone knows the name Fleetwood Mac... that American group formed by Stevie Nicks :hmm
 

JJ Blair

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Which is odd considering Fleetwood Mac supposedly outsold the Beatles and the Stones combined in 1969.

Link? Never heard that, and have a difficult time with that one.

BTW, Three Dog Night outsold everybody in terms of albums and tickets, and I don't think anybody cares about Michael Allsup's guitar. LOL.
 

Red Baron

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Link? Never heard that, and have a difficult time with that one.

Yeah I was in disbelief when I heard that myself - there's no link unfortunately, it's mentioned in the commentary on 'Peter Green, Man of the World' DVD.

I have no idea what it relates to other than maybe singles sales in the UK during that year.
 

jimmi

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I used to think the same.

You are basing the value on the artistic work done on it and the sentiment, not on the merits of the instrument itself as it is today.

Peter didn't overly care about it as being special and under Gary Moore's tenure it had plastics changed, holes drilled etc etc so it was a tool for him also, he didn't take special care with it.

Had they had the same awe about it and had it on a pedestal like it is looked at today then those classic songs wouldn't have been recorded with it because it would have been treated with more care. It was a players guitar and a road dog, not an attic find.

Duane Allman's bursts are in glass cases, Same with Clapton's 335 and Blackie. It's RNR history and it should be placed in a similar environment, not touted around Denmark St (which I visit a lot incidentally) or other places looking for "the right buyer".

I kind of disagree. I would like these iconic guitars to be passed to the next generation of greats. Violins and other instruments have had similar histories in days gone by.

I think it is great that Duane's gold top is lent to various guitar greats of this generation for example
 

abalonevintage

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Greenie should continue on like this:

Peter Green > Gary Moore > Insert name of another iconic guitarist, here.
 

Greco

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Has anyone stopped to think how Melvyn Franks feels about this? Poor old Melvyn. He is the Pete Best of "Who owned, or played, or looked at, Greenie".
 

JBLPplayer

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Unfortunately this guitar is the roadmap on how not to handle a celebrity guitar of iconic status. The ensuing skullduggery and continued cloak and dagger myths, (is it for sale, is it not... ?? Who owns it? it is for sale by the way: asking 300,000 quid aka 500,000 USD yet I digress) half truths surrounding the guitar literally renders it dead in the water as far as a sellable instrument in my humble opinion.. The only way I believe this guitar gets right is if is loaned, given or sold (cheaply) to an up and coming young guitarist who's willing to love it forever and make new history with it. JD Simo comes to mind... Just saying. 500,000 is about 400,000 north of what I think it's worth at this point in its life until a new era is started.

Unfortunately I don't believe any of those scenarios are likely. So the saga continues. Gary Moore "Midnight Blues" live in Paris is required listening/viewing to actually see and hear what's possible in the right hands.

It is a great playing guitar and I am grateful to have played it at the Albert Hall last year.

Joe B :salude
 
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yeti

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Most Americans know he is the guy that covered that Santana song... :ganz

Most people anywhere who've heard of him think this. This might be similar to Les Paul, the guitar is better known than the man himself, well maybe not quite the same, but "Black Magic Woman" and the recognition that Peter received for it reminds me of that a bit.
 
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yeti

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Unfortunately this guitar is the roadmap on how not to handle a celebrity guitar of iconic status. The ensuing skullduggery and continued cloak and dagger myths, (is it for sale, is it not... ?? Who owns it? it is for sale by the way: asking 300,000 quid aka 500,000 USD yet I digress) half truths surrounding the guitar literally renders it dead in the water as far as a sellable instrument in my humble opinion.. The only way I believe this guitar gets right is if is loaned, given or sold (cheaply) to an up and coming young guitarist who's willing to love it forever and make new history with it. JD Simo comes to mind... Just saying. 500,000 is about 400,000 north of what I think it's worth at this point in its life until a new era is started.

Unfortunately I don't believe any of those scenarios are likely. So the saga continues. Gary Moore "Midnight Blues" live in Paris is required listening/viewing to actually see and hear what's possible in the right hands.

It is a great playing guitar and I am grateful to have played it at the Albert Hall last year.

Joe B :salude

This is fascinating stuff. So you think that it's value has been hurt dramatically by karma, for a lack of a better word. What was it worth when Gary owned it, before all the nonsense started?
It's a '59 "Issues Burst" for sure but finish and PU's appear to be correct still. Is 5 figures a realistic figure for a guitar like that if a bunch of regular guys owned it over the years? Seems a bit low to me but what do I know.
Or are you suggesting to deduct 20-30% from it's "regular" value for "bad behavior" of it's "custodians" ?

I sure hope that it goes to a good home, even if it's a vault....for now.
This current episode will be forgotten relatively soon and when this guitar comes out again, for real and in the right hands it'll be great for all of us.
 

Greco

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This is one of those guitars that is always going to ride the fine line between "is it iconic" or "is it not iconic". Those selling it are always going to tell you it is the greatest guitar ever made and that it's celebrity status justifies the price. I can't think of many other guitars that fit right into this bracket other than over-inflated celebrity owned modern guitars. The main problem seeming to be that someone paid a huge amount for it when burst prices were at their peak?
 

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This is fascinating stuff. So you think that it's value has been hurt dramatically by karma, for a lack of a better word. What was it worth when Gary owned it, before all the nonsense started?
It's a '59 "Issues Burst" for sure but finish and PU's appear to be correct still. Is 5 figures a realistic figure for a guitar like that if a bunch of regular guys owned it over the years? Seems a bit low to me but what do I know.
Or are you suggesting to deduct 20-30% from it's "regular" value for "bad behavior" of it's "custodians" ?

I sure hope that it goes to a good home, even if it's a vault....for now.
This current episode will be forgotten relatively soon and when this guitar comes out again, for real and in the right hands it'll be great for all of us.

If it was purchased from Gary or Gary's family unmolested, unexploited and without the curmudgeons selling 5 dollar dances with it at guitar shows and then trying to flip it for a quick mil all the while sucking what life and passion slowly out of the guitar over the course of a decade then yes.. It would bring more. Now Stripe is another story. :2zone

Joe B


PS.. Sorry I'm a bit passionate about the subject. But we are talking Peter Green and Gary Moore here.
 

shred

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If it was purchased from Gary or Gary's family unmolested, unexploited and without the curmudgeons selling 5 dollar dances with it at guitar shows and then trying to flip it for a quick mil all the while sucking what life and passion slowly out of the guitar over the course of a decade then yes.. It would bring more. Now Stripe is another story. :2zone

Joe B


PS.. Sorry I'm a bit passionate about the subject. But we are talking Peter Green and Gary Moore here.

Everyone who's played both seems to prefer Stripe... :hmm
 

Cogswell

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The only way I believe this guitar gets right is if is loaned, given or sold (cheaply) to an up and coming young guitarist who's willing to love it forever and make new history with it.
I volunteer & I promise to give it my best shot. You should know up front that I'm not up & coming. Or young, either.
 
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