Peter Green LP for sale at Music Ground

[J.D.]

http://web.archive.org/web/20050217...com/scripts/vintage-guitars.asp?idProduct=765




Is this the guitar Gil was referring to?

This is getting worse and worse for...nevermind la

 

[mavmus]

Phil, I think above is a perfect example why people on the forum react negatively to your posts.
There is a lot of "I know things you don't" and you rarely come out with facts.


Now these are facts users of the forum want to hear. Thanks!

fair enough Hoss, point taken, however it simply isn't possible or prudent to post everything due to ongoing & developing legal proceedings,

Banker J stated that the shit i'm slinging wouldn't stick, if I wanted to do just that I could nail it right now, it is a stunning scenario, everything that i've stated so far is the truth, yes I have skated the edges, sorry for the frustration

 

[mavmus]

Nor do you have one now, at least not in me, as we have never done business. Others may be keeping a watching brief.

You significantly overestimate my interest in you.

I am confused, too many edits,are you saying that someone is watching my briefs?!

 

[mavmus]

Strictly, they're assertions.

actually, they are facts, the purchase price is well know (gave or take a bung or two), my settlement is documented & the guitar was not purchased with "cash on hand", the guitar was funded by a line of credit out of South Carolina, all facts

 

[mavmus]

http://web.archive.org/web/20050217...com/scripts/vintage-guitars.asp?idProduct=765




Is this the guitar Gil was referring to?[/QOTE]

who the hell knows what Gil is referring to!,…. whats your question?

 

[mavmus]

This is getting worse and worse for...nevermind la

it's not getting worse, it's amusing

the only two guys who have never complained about this guitar are the two owners, granted, one of them couldn't, he paid a character from this thread in excess of $500k for it & never received it, he also never complained about the fact, how come you guys aren't questioning that transaction?, 500k for nothing & not a peep
the 2nd guy knows what he is doing, the guitar was independently inspected & verified, he's very happy with it

where's the problem?

 

[jimmi]

fair enough Hoss, point taken, however it simply isn't possible or prudent to post everything due to ongoing & developing legal proceedings,

Banker J stated that the shit i'm slinging wouldn't stick, if I wanted to do just that I could nail it right now, it is a stunning scenario, everything that i've stated so far is the truth, yes I have skated the edges, sorry for the frustration

Dude, the implications are pretty obvious. If you have facts, defend yourself with the evidence or stop trying to spin it out with " I could show you" , "if I wanted to" etc. I have never done business with you and neither have most here. To someone who has nothing in this other than I don't want to get burned, you come off as a risk in this thread.

I you aren't motivated to show your ace in the hole at this point, then not sure what it could take....and it doesn't matter if Banker is really Charles Manson. He has presented evidence you have been dishonest in this thread. People thinking of doing business with you don't care if he is or isn't dishonest. They care if you are....

Let's see this "stunning scenario" and get on with it. Enough with the vague innuendo. "Nail it right now" or stop talking about it.

 

[valcotone]

it's not getting worse, it's amusing

the only two guys who have never complained about this guitar are the two owners, granted, one of them couldn't, he paid a character from this thread in excess of $500k for it & never received it, he also never complained about the fact, how come you guys aren't questioning that transaction?, 500k for nothing & not a peep
the 2nd guy knows what he is doing, the guitar was independently inspected & verified, he's very happy with it

where's the problem?

This make no sense ... Did the first buyer get his $500k back? That seems like an important detail you left out. And who did he try to buy it from?

For the second "owner", if he's so happy why is it (apparently) up for sale?

 

[mavmus]

This make no sense ... Did the first buyer get his $500k back? That seems like an important detail you left out. And who did he try to buy it from?

For the second "owner", if he's so happy why is it (apparently) up for sale?

no he didn't get it back but then again it wasn't his money to begin with, he didn't try to buy it, he did buy it he just never received the guitar because I had it in my safe, he bought it from the alleged "owner" of the Peter Green Les Paul

I could be wrong but I spoke with the owner yesterday & the guitar is not up for sale, can you point me to where it is for sale
thank you

 

[Black58]

I wish that rodeo clown that threw "Beano" in the fuckin' volcano
would come back and follow suit with this goddamned thing.

 

[valcotone]

no he didn't get it back but then again it wasn't his money to begin with, he didn't try to buy it, he did buy it he just never received the guitar because I had it in my safe, he bought it from the alleged "owner" of the Peter Green Les Paul

You keep telling half the story, either assuming we know the rest or not wanting to share all of it. Why on earth would someone give $500K and not obtain the item or the money back... The story doesn't sound logical.

I could be wrong but I spoke with the owner yesterday & the guitar is not up for sale, can you point me to where it is for sale
thank you

I thought we were still talking about Greeny, the subject of this thread... Are you saying it is not being offered for sale by MG and Phil Harris?

 

[hoss]

Enough with the vague innuendo. "Nail it right now" or stop talking about it.

Yes please!

You keep telling half the story, either assuming we know the rest or not wanting to share all of it. Why on earth would someone give $500K and not obtain the item or the money back... The story doesn't sound logical.

I thought we were still talking about Greeny, the subject of this thread... Are you saying it is not being offered for sale by MG and Phil Harris?

Exactly.

 

[hoss]

I didn't discuss any guitar with a Hendrix connection, do you have any more details?

http://web.archive.org/web/20050217...com/scripts/vintage-guitars.asp?idProduct=765

Phil, was it your webmaster's fault again?

 

[tangerine]

no he didn't get it back but then again it wasn't his money to begin with, he didn't try to buy it, he did buy it he just never received the guitar because I had it in my safe, he bought it from the alleged "owner" of the Peter Green Les Paul

I could be wrong but I spoke with the owner yesterday & the guitar is not up for sale, can you point me to where it is for sale
thank you

The Franks sold the guitar to Al Parish.

Al Parish never got the guitar due to his prosecution over a ponzi-scheme he had been running.

Phil W auctioned the guitar on behalf of the courts to a new owner. The identity of the new owner has not been divulged in this thread.

Correct so far?

 

[landminelenny]

Confusing or what? Are we talking about the Al Parish Cosmo conversion, the Hendrix Strat or the Peter Green Les Paul?

 

[ourmaninthenorth]

Confusing or what? Are we talking about the Al Parish Cosmo conversion, the Hendrix Strat or the Peter Green Les Paul?

Took the words out of my mouth, I haven't got a clue what we're talking about now...:hmm

 

[Banker]

The "Hendrix" Strat.

I presume the guitar didn't go to Parish because the liquidator took legal possession of it post the arrest and subsequent court orders. It appears that Phil then sold it, before the liquidators auction, with the sale proceeds going to the liquidator for distribution to the claimants.

The interesting element is that Phil says Parish bought if from the Franks.

The operative question then becomes one of who acted as agent in purchasing the guitar on behalf of the Franks? It may have been the Franks' money that funded the purchase, but somebody acted as their purchase agent and somebody authenticated it as a Hendrix instrument pre-purchase?

One can only guess as to who that might have been.

 

[tangerine]

the only person that received revenue from AP
& never delivered this guitar was Melvyn Franks, AP didn't receive it because the guitar was in my safe, it was viewed there & left there by the FBI & SEC, I kept it there for 2 yrs until authorized to liquidate, these facts do not even scrape the surface of this story

Is this a different guitar from Greeny then? I thought I read this about Al Parish and Greeny in a couple of posts within this thread already, I guess I'll have to go through it again..

 

[tangerine]

It's the Strat! Yes I am confused now!



EDIT: ok, back up to speed again. Think I can see the bigger picture now as well.

 

[Banker]

The common thread is Franks as legal owner, Winfield as agent.

It's easy to say "Franks sold it" to X, which would be correct insofar as Franks was the legal owner, but Franks' role was only funding deals.

Ask yourself who was doing the buying/selling/authenticating and otherwise arranging guitar deals?