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Another Burst just added to the Log - 9 0327

jimmi

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Florian Jaeger refinished 9 0327 allright, but you might think he wouldn't have to remove all the red from the bridge p.u. cavity wall? Not the tiniest trace of red left:

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Or perhaps there's another explanation for this strange anomaly?
Hmmm... again, could just be the picture, never say never.
A little circumstantial but I agree you would think he might leave it. I had one refinished and they cleaned out the routes but not the channels. There should still be overspray in the channels. Always gold left in the channels of refinished gold top conversions for example
 
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A little circumstantial but I agree you would think he might leave it. I had one refinished and they cleaned out the routes but not the channels. There should still be ovrspray in the channels. Always good left in the channels of refinished gold top conversions for example
Yes, to remove the red spray tell is begging for trouble. Jaeger should know that I'm sure.
Unless of course, it was removed before he re-refinished it.
Or, if the red spray was never there to begin with...

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Yes, to remove the red spray tell is begging for trouble. Jaeger should know that I'm sure.
Unless of course, it was removed before he re-refinished it.
Or, if the red spray was never there to begin with...

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Bridge cavity might not have any. Neck will always have some
 

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Bridge cavity might not have any. Neck will always have some
I beg to differ. A real Burst should have at least a bit of red in the bridge p.u. routing back cavity wall, from what I've seen/read about it. My reference is Eric Ernest, Jimmi, among others.
Considering the way the operator held the guitar when applying the finish, the back wall of bridge p.u. routing will inevitably always show a trace of red. More or less, but never abscent.
So, assuming 9 0327 is a legit Burst, perhaps F. Jaeger removed the red trace during the re-refin? Or it was removed earlier?
Or it was never there to begin with (which is disturbing IMO).

This one is a textbook example of the excess red spray:
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Too much red shading under the neck ring
As mentioned back in 2019, the guitar is re-refinished. I guess Fl. Jaeger was trying to recreate the look?
Edit: The thing that worries me a bit is the shape of the tenon "lip". Not like other legit Bursts I've seen..
 
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So we have an oddly shaped tenon, abnormal control cavity and interesting choice by the person who refinished the guitar to remove overspray that would help authenticate the guitar.
 

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The guy is doing an R6 in another thread. Just straight up ask him directly. Just remember, you can never trust a guy from overseas about a real Les Paul.
 

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So we have an oddly shaped tenon, abnormal control cavity and interesting choice by the person who refinished the guitar to remove overspray that would help authenticate the guitar.
Plus, on top (no pun intended), a logo that noone in Kalamazoo 1959, would be the slightest proud of:

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The guy is doing an R6 in another thread. Just straight up ask him directly. Just remember, you can never trust a guy from overseas about a real Les Paul.
For me, that advice would mean I can't trust anyone in the US about Les Pauls... -I am overseas... -in the old world ;)
 
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Plus, on top (no pun intended), a logo that noone in Kalamazoo 1959, would be the slightest proud of:

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If he refinished the face of the headstock he might have oversprayed the logo changing the shape I guess. Top of the headstock looks a little wide but maybe that is angle..on top of that, sometimes things get over sanded and it can change the shape a bit since it is a known refin.
 

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If he refinished the face of the headstock he might have oversprayed the logo changing the shape I guess. Top of the headstock looks a little wide but maybe that is angle..on top of that, sometimes things get over sanded and it can change the shape a bit since it is a known refin.
Why would he need to do that Jimmi? And even if he did, the logo shouldn't become such a disaster IMO..

Yes refins can sometimes be very convenient for some..
 

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I think it's best to speculate some more and not ask the guy directly...
 

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Why would he need to do that Jimmi? And even if he did, the logo shouldn't become such a disaster IMO..

Yes refins can sometimes be very convenient for some..
Just playing devils advocate. There could have been damage. It doesn’t explain the other structural abnormalities that aren’t explained by a refin
 

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Wonder what the pickups are in this guitar, and who made the M69 rings... :cool:🤔

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Wonder what the pickups are in this guitar, and who made the M69 rings... :cool:🤔

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There has been a rash of pickups on the market recently all smudged out in the bottom of the plate and feet conveniently obscuring the tooling marks..almost on purpose. What is up with the shape of the feet?
 
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I don't think the pickguard is a HB guard. Looks like a cut P90 guard.

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Tenon looks a little off to me, compared to other 50's I have seen..
And, question for the knowledgeable: Is that control cavity within specs?
Not trying to stir a pot or rub any feathers, it could be the pic and all that.. I'm just curious & want to learn, but this 9 0327 cavity really looks off to me in so many ways..

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Tenon looks fine to me...as in, it suffers the same deviations that they all do. Look at alot, and you'll see there are alot of variations in shape and cutout. And I can see the ledge.
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As for the tenon, here are 2 others in the same serial range. (squared edges, and not symmetrical)
9 0352
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9 0366

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