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Another Burst just added to the Log - 9 0327

S. Weiger

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Tenon looks fine to me...as in, it suffers the same deviations that they all do. Look at alot, and you'll see there are alot of variations in shape and cutout. And I can see the ledge.
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As for the tenon, here are 2 others in the same serial range. (squared edges, and not symmetrical)
9 0352
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9 0366

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I know a little variance / deviation must be allowed for, but thanks for the samples. I still think the 9 0327 control cavity is a tad too off "accepted" specs.. IMO at least.
I can see a ledge too but with wrong shape/perimeter. And that is not very comforting IMO because it's obviously not the same template for the 2nd route as used in my / your samples / the ones I've seen / owned.

Then there's the other anomalies, like

Gibson logo .. "consummate" with regards to sloppiness. Not a logo Rem Wall would have approved of in 1959 I'm sure.
No, as in NO excess red spray in bridge p.u. cavity back wall. Most disturbing. Might have been removed during refin or re-refin,
but... aww...hmm... Don't see why?
Apparently cut p90 guard and not 50's real Humbucker guard.
Weird pickups. Not PAF's IMHO.
Probably not real 50's M69 rings (Admitted, only a theory based on the fact that the guitar don't have PAF's installed.)
Weird shape tenon 'lip' -assymetrical cutoff corners, - more deviated than your 2 samples, -also a red flag IMO..

As I stated earlier, even if I was offered 9 0327 for $30K I'd say "nice case"...
 
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Oh, and the jack plate is wrong too. I Can't tell if it is a real 1960 plate from the photos or newer/aftermarket.
Only a minor detail I know, but it all adds up in disfavour of the guitar IMO.
 
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I know a little variance / deviation must be allowed for, but thanks for the samples. I still think the 9 0327 control cavity is a tad too off "accepted" specs.. IMO at least.
I can see a ledge too but with wrong shape/perimeter. And that is not very comforting IMO because it's obviously not the same template for the 2nd route as used in my / your samples / the ones I've seen / owned.

Then there's the other anomalies, like

Gibson logo .. "consummate" with regards to sloppiness. Not a logo Rem Wall would have approved of in 1959 I'm sure.
No, as in NO excess red spray in bridge p.u. cavity back wall. Most disturbing. Might have been removed during refin or re-refin,
but... aww...hmm... Don't see why?
Apparently cut p90 guard and not 50's real Humbucker guard.
Weird pickups. Not PAF's IMHO.
Probably not real 50's M69 rings (Admitted, only a theory based on the fact that the guitar don't have PAF's installed.)
Weird shape tenon 'lip' -assymetrical cutoff corners, - more deviated than your 2 samples, -also a red flag IMO..

As I stated earlier, even if I was offered 9 0327 for $30K I'd say "nice case"...

I wouldn't be interested for a variety of reasons (looks like a parts guitar), but if I was offered for $30k, I'd wait to cast judgement until I saw it in person and not from these tiny photos.

I bet if I were to actually have photos of all the tenons in that s/n range, you'd find another like this one.

Oh, and the jack plate is wrong too. I Can't tell if it is a real 1960 plate from the photos or newer/aftermarket.
Only a minor detail I know, but it all adds up in disfavour of the guitar IMO.

Many guitars have that series 2 plate. How can you tell it's wrong?
 
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I wouldn't be interested for a variety of reasons (looks like a parts guitar), but if I was offered for $30k, I'd wait to cast judgement until I saw it in person and not from these tiny photos.

I bet if I were to actually have photos of all the tenons in that s/n range, you'd find another like this one.



Many guitars have that series 2 plate. How can you tell it's wrong?
Do you think those pickups are original PAFs?
 

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I wouldn't be interested for a variety of reasons (looks like a parts guitar), but if I was offered for $30k, I'd wait to cast judgement until I saw it in person and not from these tiny photos.

I bet if I were to actually have photos of all the tenons in that s/n range, you'd find another like this one.



Many guitars have that series 2 plate. How can you tell it's wrong?
Because in '59 the corners are square. Especially in start '59. Maybe rounded corners can be original in very late '59.
 

S. Weiger

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I wouldn't be interested for a variety of reasons (looks like a parts guitar), but if I was offered for $30k, I'd wait to cast judgement until I saw it in person and not from these tiny photos.

I bet if I were to actually have photos of all the tenons in that s/n range, you'd find another like this one.



Many guitars have that series 2 plate. How can you tell it's wrong?
IF the guitar is not Kalamazoo origin, then what is worth total 30K from it?
I assume

-no PAF's
-no 50's cream M69 ring
-no original pickguard
-not '50s jack plate -if at all vintage?
-a refin replica guitar with a laughable fake Gibson logo
-a nice case, but not worth more than, say 3K ?

DISCLAIMER: All the above is o.c. only hypothetical speculation on my part, IF 9 0327 turns out to be not Gibson.
 
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