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Claptons Lost Burst.

Garincha

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So -ponder that for a nano second and then wonder what could Eric Clapton do to try to identify it by visual marks and markings on the instrument today ?

The picture on the cover of this Guitarist edition has enough resolution to see the grain pattern of the top. That should be enough to identify the guitar once it will come up. EC probably has the funds to buy a print of that pic in an even better resolution and that would be a forensic proof that it is the guitar.

You have to keep in mind that we never saw that iconic picture even close to it's original resolution. We only saw the version made for a low-res print for a record sleeve. The photo was taken by a professional photographer with at least a 24x36 camera but most likely even something like a middle format Hasselblad. Those cameras and lenses had a resolution that only recently were surpassed by digital cameras.

So expect the real photo in -say - a 80cm x 80cm printout to show as much details as CDaughtrys pics of his own collection.
 

AA00475Bassman

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I think this guitar remains that much more interesting as whereabouts unknown.

Someone knows, and I'm glad they're not telling.

It'll break the internet....
Im with Paul : Stop interrogating Mary already ,she's obviously not guilty , don't search for the calf under the ox .
 

El Gringo

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The picture on the cover of this Guitarist edition has enough resolution to see the grain pattern of the top. That should be enough to identify the guitar once it will come up. EC probably has the funds to buy a print of that pic in an even better resolution and that would be a forensic proof that it is the guitar.

You have to keep in mind that we never saw that iconic picture even close to it's original resolution. We only saw the version made for a low-res print for a record sleeve. The photo was taken by a professional photographer with at least a 24x36 camera but most likely even something like a middle format Hasselblad. Those cameras and lenses had a resolution that only recently were surpassed by digital cameras.

So expect the real photo in -say - a 80cm x 80cm printout to show as much details as CDaughtrys pics of his own collection.
Well that makes me think it is possible that it could be found if it ever were to surface and see the light of day .
 

Mattyboy75

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Maybe , the other thing is they don't know the serial # of Beano . So -ponder that for a nano second and then wonder what could Eric Clapton do to try to identify it by visual marks and markings on the instrument today ? Crazy as it gets , but the thief that nicked it sure knows what it is and what he got . This has to be the perfect crime of the century as the thief probably has it all to him self and plays it and laughs every time he plugs it in . Karma is still around and kicking .
That’s also my point in a way, did the thief know what he had? With hindsight we think so but Eric wasn’t a megastar yet, it could have been an opportunist who sold it on after a time. With the mists of time it could have changed hands on the second hand guitar scene any number of times. There was no internet so it wouldn’t have been common knowledge outside of EC’s circle and perhaps a mention in the music press but after a little while if someone wanted to sell a second hand Gibson I doubt it would have attracted any attention.
 

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Joe B has claimed that he knows where the guitar is - but won't say. Guessing the current "owner" (don;'t know the legal status at this point - was it insured? Dd Clapton get a payout? He's claimed that he's not interetsted in it at this point, and guessing the statute of limitations is long since passed,) knows what he has, but doesn't want to come forward - look at the legal stuff that happened when Jaco's Bass of Doom resurfaced some years ago.
 

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there is a lot of evidence...pointing to it being a 1960...the slimmer neck and double white.....with peter green describing it as having a slim neck too......i would love to see it identified in 2021,,,,by the grain in the maple top!!!!what a story ,,,that would be!!!! some say it's a 59.......who knows? i kind of doubt that mr. clapton would be that interested in it,,,at this point..... but ..burst maniacs abide!!!!!!!!!
 

El Gringo

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He found one a long time ago. This 1960 LP has been with him off & on from around 1984. It is distinguishable by the dark streak of grain just above the upper tone knob. View attachment 12916
I am pretty sure I seen him live during the Cradle tour in 1994 use this one live . At the time I remember thinking to myself that it has to be a first year issue from Gibson Custom .
 

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there is a lot of evidence...pointing to it being a 1960...the slimmer neck and double white.....with peter green describing it as having a slim neck too......i would love to see it identified in 2021,,,,by the grain in the maple top!!!!what a story ,,,that would be!!!! some say it's a 59.......who knows? i kind of doubt that mr. clapton would be that interested in it,,,at this point..... but ..burst maniacs abide!!!!!!!!!
Nope will not happen!! If its not a Black Beauty #Framptonlordjimmypageatron
 

seafood

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as the great Tom Wittrock would say.......c'mon ''burst detectives!!!!!'' where is this guitar.....today?
 
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The picture on the cover of this Guitarist edition has enough resolution to see the grain pattern of the top. That should be enough to identify the guitar once it will come up. EC probably has the funds to buy a print of that pic in an even better resolution and that would be a forensic proof that it is the guitar.

You have to keep in mind that we never saw that iconic picture even close to it's original resolution. We only saw the version made for a low-res print for a record sleeve. The photo was taken by a professional photographer with at least a 24x36 camera but most likely even something like a middle format Hasselblad. Those cameras and lenses had a resolution that only recently were surpassed by digital cameras.

So expect the real photo in -say - a 80cm x 80cm printout to show as much details as CDaughtrys pics of his own collection.
The photo is from the Beano sessions, and it went AWOL a significant enough time later to have picked up scars. At the time it went missing it had acquired significant cigarette burns on the top...
Rumour over here is Clapton has said he knows where it is, who's got it and it's still in London, and since the crime happened in the UK, the person responsible can still be prosecuted...
Which tends to suggest, if true, that it's a case of 'keep your mouth shut or else'...
 

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Clapton, still the most overrated guitarist to ever pickup a Burst. He “borrows” licks from just about every great Delta Blues player, then plugs a Les Paul into a cranked Marshall Bluesbreaker. (I don’t think that amp was widely available down in the Delta at that time).

Peter Green added introspection and nuance to what was mostly copied, derivative blues licks

And Jimmy Page changed the world in relation to blues based rock, his iconic and prominent solos blasted off from the bedrock of traditional blues like Apollo 13 harkening in the era of the guitar god archetype.

But yeah Clapton turned his new Marshall up to 10. Maybe he should be given an award for blowing his nose loudly while we’re at it.
 
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randall

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Clapton, still the most overrated guitarist to ever pickup a Burst. He “borrows” licks from just about every great Delta Blues player, then plugs a Les Paul into a cranked Marshall Bluesbreaker. (I don’t think that amp was widely available down in the Delta at that time).

Peter Green added introspection and nuance to what was mostly copied, derivative blues licks

And Jimmy Page changed the world in relation to blues based rock, his iconic and prominent solos blasted off from the bedrock of traditional blues like Apollo 13 harkening in the era of the guitar god archetype.

But yeah Clapton turned his new Marshall up to 10. Maybe he should be given an award for blowing his nose loudly while we’re at it.
Yes you are correct, but what you are missing is all the guys after him copied Clapton (Marshall + Les Paul). Clapton at 21 invented something new and today we all still live in this vacuum. Clapton quickly moved on and kept inventing, seems to have worked out for him.
 
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Mattyboy75

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Clapton, still the most overrated guitarist to ever pickup a Burst. He “borrows” licks from just about every great Delta Blues player, then plugs a Les Paul into a cranked Marshall Bluesbreaker. (I don’t think that amp was widely available down in the Delta at that time).

Peter Green added introspection and nuance to what was mostly copied, derivative blues licks

And Jimmy Page changed the world in relation to blues based rock, his iconic and prominent solos blasted off from the bedrock of traditional blues like Apollo 13 harkening in the era of the guitar god archetype.

But yeah Clapton turned his new Marshall up to 10. Maybe he should be given an award for blowing his nose loudly while we’re at it.
Clapton has never hidden the fact that idolised those delta blues players and learned everything they played. He just moved it on to take it to the next level as did lots of others at that time.
 

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Clapton, still the most overrated guitarist to ever pickup a Burst. He “borrows” licks from just about every great Delta Blues player, then plugs a Les Paul into a cranked Marshall Bluesbreaker. (I don’t think that amp was widely available down in the Delta at that time).

Peter Green added introspection and nuance to what was mostly copied, derivative blues licks

And Jimmy Page changed the world in relation to blues based rock, his iconic and prominent solos blasted off from the bedrock of traditional blues like Apollo 13 harkening in the era of the guitar god archetype.

But yeah Clapton turned his new Marshall up to 10. Maybe he should be given an award for blowing his nose loudly while we’re at it.

Did someone take the cornflakes off you at breakfast time..........your rant has nothing to do with this thread.
Do a 'I don't like Eric' somewhere else(away from here) if that's your want..........this is bad karma.
 
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AA00475Bassman

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Clapton, still the most overrated guitarist to ever pickup a Burst. He “borrows” licks from just about every great Delta Blues player, then plugs a Les Paul into a cranked Marshall Bluesbreaker. (I don’t think that amp was widely available down in the Delta at that time).

Peter Green added introspection and nuance to what was mostly copied, derivative blues licks

And Jimmy Page changed the world in relation to blues based rock, his iconic and prominent solos blasted off from the bedrock of traditional blues like Apollo 13 harkening in the era of the guitar god archetype.

But yeah Clapton turned his new Marshall up to 10. Maybe he should be given an award for blowing his nose loudly while we’re at it.
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seafood

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as a kid in Chicago ,,i was familiar with early buddy guy and otis rush on cobra records......however when i heard the opening notes to''all your love'' on the bluesbreakers LP.....i knew it was a whole new thing!!!! you can't change history.....Clapton wrote the book!!!.....almost every british guitarist from the 60's ,,,,has acknowledged it!!!!! even guys like brian may and robin trower!!! his influence continues to this day!!! and even with a strat...he's still a cool old guy!!!
 
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