Current Historic Specs Getting Less Accurate?

[S. Weiger]

Who gives a fuck how accurate one guitar is over the other? In 58-60, no 2 guitars are exactly the same. So which one are YOU Wanting yours to look like? Id take sound over how accurate looking it is all day everyday

Thanks for yet another helpful comment.
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This is a guitar forum dedicated to Les Pauls. Just wondered if anyone else noticed. It’s very hard to photograph the difference in the cover and the guard. You basically have to feel them and see them in person.

But who gives a fuck, right? Why are you even on this forum?

A troll needs feeding...

 

[Wizard1183]

Thanks for yet another helpful comment.

The truss rod covers have changed roughly mid-‘23 best I can tell. So have the Pickguards.

Gibson announced changes to the ABR-1 for ‘23 and it looks like these other items changed as well. Seems like the rod cover and guard got less historically accurate than what they were the past few years.

I have a 1998 R8 thats hardly historically accurate at all, but it’s a great guitar.

This is a guitar forum dedicated to Les Pauls. Just wondered if anyone else noticed. It’s very hard to photograph the difference in the cover and the guard. You basically have to feel them and see them in person.

But who gives a fuck, right? Why are you even on this forum?

They could make an EXACT replica of a burst and you’d probably bitch about it not being accurate enough. Not like I’ve not seen it? They bitch about this. Gibson changes it. Bitch about that? Gibson changes it. And they’re STILL not satisfied. It’s almost as if no one wants to play the guitar anymore. They just want it to look old and accurate.

So I will question what’s it matter when looks don’t produce tone? A Les paul is accurate enough. Anything 2013- present? Is good enough. I don’t care if the pup covers are not right or the bridge is a 64th too long on the treble side or the plastics are a different shade…

 

[djcmusician]

They could make an EXACT replica of a burst and you’d probably bitch about it not being accurate enough. Not like I’ve not seen it? They bitch about this. Gibson changes it. Bitch about that? Gibson changes it. And they’re STILL not satisfied. It’s almost as if no one wants to play the guitar anymore. They just want it to look old and accurate.

So I will question what’s it matter when looks don’t produce tone? A Les paul is accurate enough. Anything 2013- present? Is good enough. I don’t care if the pup covers are not right or the bridge is a 64th too long on the treble side or the plastics are a different shade…

You literally have no clue. We are on the same page when it comes to how guitars sound. Gibson seemed to get closest in specs/plastics in 2019. Mid-'23 it seems like they are going backwards on some stuff. It's a guitar forum dedicated to LPs. There is a pinned thread at the top of this forum called Year-by-Year History of the Historic Les Paul Collection

Just trying to see if others are seeing these recent changes. I'm not bitching, I am observing. There's a difference.

 

[MarcB]

A Les paul is accurate enough. Anything 2013- present? Is good enough

Which is why I’m 100% happy with my 23’ Standard 60s RI and have since questioned my lust for a TH, which was born from online influence.
My LP does LP things.. and my tone, to be brutally honest, is the same across all my guitars.. (with eq adjustments to each).

Surely (don’t call me Shirley) the objective of any guitar is to create a tone that suits the music you play. Not if the M69 rings are off colour.

Bonjour.

 

[renderit]

So you are saying 'Put a ring on it' Shirley?

Valkommen

 

[Wizard1183]

You literally have no clue. We are on the same page when it comes to how guitars sound. Gibson seemed to get closest in specs/plastics in 2019. Mid-'23 it seems like they are going backwards on some stuff. It's a guitar forum dedicated to LPs. There is a pinned thread at the top of this forum called Year-by-Year History of the Historic Les Paul Collection

Just trying to see if others are seeing these recent changes. I'm not bitching, I am observing. There's a difference.

I agree with you? There’s literally ALWAYS changes to the guitar. But the guitar remains the same. The carve top. No 2 58s-60 bursts had same exact carve top. So how can one say it’s NOT accurate? They’ve never held every burst in their life to say it’s not right. It’s not right to the ONE they held. So they observe that.

They changed the bridge in 2023. Looks vintage to a degree? Yet someone mentioned it wasn’t right. That’s why I asked the question who gives a fuck? It’s never 100% right. And right to what exactly? I highly doubt Gibson is going backwards. Every move is closer. But someone observes that it’s not. It’s a corporation. They don’t give a fuck how accurate the guitar is? They care about money it’s bringing in. And if you paid it? Then you can’t say it’s not exact? But Gibson doesn’t care, the guitar shop that sold it doesn’t care. All they cared about? Was the sale…

 

[MarcB]

So you are saying 'Put a ring on it' Shirley?

Valkommen

Bonjour

 

[djcmusician]

Which is why I’m 100% happy with my 23’ Standard 60s RI and have since questioned my lust for a TH, which was born from online influence.
My LP does LP things.. and my tone, to be brutally honest, is the same across all my guitars.. (with eq adjustments to each

I agree with you? There’s literally ALWAYS changes to the guitar. But the guitar remains the same. The carve top. No 2 58s-60 bursts had same exact carve top. So how can one say it’s NOT accurate? They’ve never held every burst in their life to say it’s not right. It’s not right to the ONE they held. So they observe that.

They changed the bridge in 2023. Looks vintage to a degree? Yet someone mentioned it wasn’t right. That’s why I asked the question who gives a fuck? It’s never 100% right. And right to what exactly? I highly doubt Gibson is going backwards. Every move is closer. But someone observes that it’s not. It’s a corporation. They don’t give a fuck how accurate the guitar is? They care about money it’s bringing in. And if you paid it? Then you can’t say it’s not exact? But Gibson doesn’t care, the guitar shop that sold it doesn’t care. All they cared about? Was the sale…

you're still clueless as you are completely missing the point, but please carry on.

 

[MarcB]

you're still clueless as you are completely missing the point, but please carry on.

Shirley not!?

Bonjour.

 

[MattD1960]

there will always be some level of “drift” on the plastic parts. But i dont think/know that this is intentional. Idk it anyone at Gibson sat down and said hey lets change the truss rod cover in this super minor way and see if they notice. Its kind of a naturally occurring thing that there will be some variation from year to year year over year. Which in itself is accurate considering the consistency of Les Pauls from 58-60 is all over the place.

 

[Wizard1183]

you're still clueless as you are completely missing the point, but please carry on.

Obviously you as well. But derrr ok. Whatever you say Boss

 

[djcmusician]

Obviously you as well. But derrr ok. Whatever you say Boss

Start your own thread. You have completely missed the object of this one.

 

[djcmusician]

Shirley not!?

Bonjour.

Didn’t mean to quote you there. Sorry.

 

[MarcB]

Didn’t mean to quote you there. Sorry.

Oh. I’m ok with it tbh.

 

[ElChivo]

It would seem that the desires of the average Historic buyer supersedes the desire to be accurate. They want mega-flame, even on a 58RI. They want light weight, even though the OG guitars vary greatly. Nothing wrong with that. There will never be a 100% accurate LP because it is impossible, unless you are looking for a reissue of a specific guitar. The $50K Greeny set that bar and obviously people were happy to pay.

 

[Wizard1183]

It would seem that the desires of the average Historic buyer supersedes the desire to be accurate. They want mega-flame, even on a 58RI. They want light weight, even though the OG guitars vary greatly. Nothing wrong with that. There will never be a 100% accurate LP because it is impossible, unless you are looking for a reissue of a specific guitar. The $50K Greeny set that bar and obviously people were happy to pay.

The $50k Greeny isn’t that accurate. Someone said the pup covers weren’t right. But anyone who paid $50k ain’t saying it’s not accurate! It’s only done by mainly people who DONT have the guitar to make themselves feel better for not purchasing it. But if you purchase one and complain OR observe? You shouldn’t have bought it. You either gonna like what you buy or you’re not buying it. And it’s ok. Someone else will buy that isn’t as observant as you…..

 

[El Gringo]

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Bonjour

Out of all the photos you could have chosen and you put up Ms. Jay Z

 

[deytookerjaabs]

You know.....there's a whole universe out there where a fella can go lick the dirt and taste the sea.


But, if there's just one place in that universe where folks can feel free to quibble over the insignificant minutiae of a Gibson "Reissue" Les Paul I would think....

Oh yeah, it would be on the internet. And, it would be called something like "Les Paul Forum" and there would be a section dedicated just to...Ah yes, there it is: "Historic Reissues."


Now, if billy bigboy and bobby badass wanna make their way into that one tiny section of the universe specifically suited to such a thing then ad nauseam articulate lowest-common-denominator comments similar to "I just plug in bro wazzuup wit dat" while others quibble over said minutiae? I suggest there's a few thousand places on this planet or on the internet better suited for you wank such terrific self-adulating wank. In fact, the youtube comments section gets a little lonlier every time you post here.

 

[MarcB]

Ms. Jay Z

.. most definitely put a ring on it. Knowing the size of the ring she’d get..

Bonjour.

 

[El Gringo]

.. most definitely put a ring on it. Knowing the size of the ring she’d get..

Bonjour.

As in big like everything else on her