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Magnet madness; final issue

GastonG

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Just back from Toni's, his 59 with Antiquity/Alnico V pickups sounded just amazing! fuller tone than my Antiquity/Alnico II...

The difference is almost like when Dewey gave a description of his R-9 with old paf's; they certainly have their distinct voice, though a bit weaker at the same amp settings by a/b guitars, Toni's guitar sounded sweeter, more rich and warm, that hollow double tone, and still with good sustain and at lower volume they can get a growl too, with increased gain they get very harmonic when pinched with the pick...

So I'm not surprise now that Rolph puts Alnico V in his paf replica!

Alnico V in my R-9 as soon as possible... It's a great tone!

Gaston

p.s. Toni's experiences made me get a better tone for my Les Paul; I thank him very much... he did spend times and money, foolin' around with different pickups, magnets etc.
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September 12th 2001, put those Alnico V in my R9; just unbelievable, talk about rich & warm tone! I LLLLLLLLLLOOOOOVE IT! couldn't stop playin' HOT LANTA and YOU DON'T LOVE ME ... very very Duanesque Tone!

The Alnico II was a good step toward a better sound, but the Alnico V swapping is a major step very very close to the "old" tone that never got out of my head...
 
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Ken

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Just when I swore off magnet changing for good, what should appear in my tool box when I was cleaning up but a torn up Gibson P90 that I'd replaced with an SD some time ago in my '54 Custom reissue. I had no excuse not to try the mod. I went ahead and put the magnets in both Antiquities--sort of guessing what the orientation should be since the magnets seemed charged on all sides.

The result: my neck pup sounds subtley better than it did with the alnico II/Antiq. mod--it breaths more. The most noticeable difference was the bridge. (Awhile back I had reversed the mod in favor of the stock antiquity bridge tone. I thought the Alnico IIs removed the soft sponginess and warmth.) The Alnico V/Antiq mod in the bridge gives it considerably more fullness in the low/mids without the harshness that I had with the Alnico II's. They sponginess is there as well.

Guys, thanks for planting the seed and doing so much research in the pursuit of "better". Now stop! ;) I don't want to see any P90s getting hurt!
 

GotWood

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I have been reading all of the info on the magnet testing from the start. I just sent two original PAF magnets to "Mr Mayor" so he can tell us all his professional opinion on what these two old, nasty looking magnets will do to a new pickup.

I can't wait to hear the out-come!
 

NewOldCokeDave

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A REAL cheap source for AL-V mags are those P100s. They are 2.325 inches long (.175 longer than a PAF). They're probably about 100 bizillion of those creatures laying around, real cheap
I gutted two of them and got 4 magnets and a shitload of 42 ga magnet wire..

Also, am I getting senile?, or isn't this the same thing we old timers used to do way back when with our PAFs to make them hotter?? Before the days of Seymour and Larry and all the other aftermarket pickup guys. It may have been ceramic mags, but I vaguely remember all the propeller heads doing this same mod eons ago...

It's just like thosebell bottoms in the closet, they always come back around again...

-NOCD
 

JoeP

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OK, that's it,, I'm bringing Antiquities and Classics to Arlington, to see the pro's mod hell out of them. NOCD, what is a decent price for those old P100's anyway? I can feel modding happening at Arlington!!!

JoeP
 

GotWood

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I thought I was the only simple-head that still has bell-bottoms!
I'm glad to see I'm not alone! Thanks NOCD


:lol1 :lol1
 

NewOldCokeDave

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Hey I was being rhetoric, you bunch o' coconuts!! If you guys haven't cleaned out your closets in the last 30 years then youse guys are in more serious trouble than you know!! ;) ;) Aw hell you're the types of guys who find that '59 LP in your closet that your great uncle Harry bought you in '63, and you've forgetton completely about until now.. I hate you!! :lolspin Anything over 3 hours old gets thrown out around here!! (by the wife) :)

If you can find them, I'll bet you can buy those P100s by weight, ya know something $50 a ton.. Seriously I'll bet theres tons of them around, they're not that popular with the kids nowadays...

:)

-NOCD

(I'm searching my closet right now for those 32 inch waisted Chemin de Fers.. Hee Hee )
 

60burst

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NOCD

I remember taking pickups a part in the 70s. I wonder how many good pickups I f**ked up back then? Everything comes back around. I hope I resist temptation and don't buy a sack of pickups and start those evil experiments all over again!! I think I will just see what happens on this forum and copy that. Yep. That's a good plan............:60burst
 

toni

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...our total investment for the project was:
1 set of SD Antiquities 240$
1 set of SD Seth Lover's 200$
1 Gibson's P90 65$
1 set of Classic 57's (no charge,came with the guitar)
and numerous hours of testing tough...

BUT the cost of the Mod itself is 240$ for Antiquities and 65$ for P90.
Total of 305$

...305$ for that TONE is just, well, very very cheap ! ;)

Toni:wail:
 

Ken

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Black Rose Custom got their order in the other day....$97/ea for Antiquity double creams.
 

darkburst

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The P90 has two Alnico V's? How do you determine the magnet orientation for the mod? I've got a SD Alnico V coming for testing, I'd like to get anyones opinion of the tonal differences between it and the Gibson Alnico V in the modded Antiquity.
 

The Fet

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Is there any way to tell if a magnet is an Alnico II or a V?

I have an old di marzio Paf pup and a Hamer slammer humbucker lying around and I was wondering what type of magnets are in these.

The Fet.
 

toni

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thursday night 8:00 pm.
Gaston had modified his Antiquities with Gibson Alnico V magnets...very very close to Duane Allman's tone
while my guitar is a little darker, close to old Clapton's tone....
Believe it or not !
hee hee :wail:
 

jono

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Seymour

would it not be possible to order antiquities with alnico V from the Duncan custom shop?
 
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I wonder if cramming an electromagnet into my 500T would enable me to use my guitar cable as an arc welder? :!
 
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