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Magnet madness; final issue

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BlackRose

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Thanks to all ...

Hey all LP Lover's,

Since I got mentioned in this thread a while back I thought this would be a good place to insert a hearty "Thanks" to all you guys who have bought your Antiquity Cremes through me over the last few months. I really appreciate the business and having a chance to learn the history behind the covered creme bobbin pickups. Special thanks also to Brian G. and others for passing the word around.

My supply of cremes is pretty low right now since I got 80% black bobbin PUP's on my last order, but I should be getting more in soon. It's always tough on these because you never know what you will end up with.

I also wanted to address a question from above regarding Custom Shop orders from Duncan. Yes, it is possible to order double creme antiquities from the custom shop in most any resistance or with any magnet you want. They can also be done with aged bobbins and very lightly attached covers for those who want to remove them. You will pay a hefty price for these custom PUP's though.

I have considerecd approaching Duncan about a quantity run of custom pickups made to a certain spec to see if a price break could be had. I'm not sure if they would do it, but if there is interest here and a common spec agreeable to all I would pursue it.

Thanks again to all, and if you have questions or need information on any SD products please feel free to contact me.

John
Black Rose Customs
 
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Plankspanker

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Just a short piece of info regarding the elusive "Full Cream" Humbking pickups. I wrote the DiMarzio Company a little over a year ago and inquired as to the status of the "Patent" on Double Cream bobbin Hunbucking pickups, and whether they had considered coming out with an authentic sounding and looking
Cream pickup, because of all the interest on this here forum in this particular pickup bobbin color combination, someone could fill the void, make a lot of people happy, and potentially god forbid make some money, by producing these pickups, Understanding that DiMarzio held the key I wrote them to see if they would consider it.
I received an email back from the man himself, correcting that they have a Trademark something or other, and have no interest in deviating from their current line of pickups, and due to all the
lawsuits, they did not want to get involved with forgery,
It's ashame because the market definitely is there, witness the
success of Seymour's Antiquity line.
I don't know whether this control is permanent, but it would be
great if someone was to come out with the Double Cream Humbuckers wound to a variety of different resistance levels and choice of magnets, and even include the proper Cream pickup surround. Hope someone makes the product and some money,
 
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BlackRose

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DiMarzio ..

Yes, the folks there have a strange outlook. They tie up the market for Double Creme (wrongly IMO) and then don't really take advantage of it. Makes no sense to me .....

I contacted them recently about becoming a dealer. and after talking with them it seems like they are in the dark ages from a business standpoint.
 

tonejunkie

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Hey John,
I never got to thank you for the last round of Antiquitys. As always the service was great. I wish dealing with everyone could that easy and rewarding. I'm glad you're checking in on the Forum--you have a lot of supporters around here!
Thanks again!
 

BrianGWN

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Hey there John, greetings from north of the 49th...
Those reverse zebras got to our friend EdR in Texas quite prompty, thanks!

You probably saw the recent post on the SD site from Evan about the "random" nature of the Antiquity and Seth bobbin colour. If only we/you could somehow influence the randomness to be percentage wise a lot more in one direction, hee hee ;)
 

Ed Rafalko

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Yeah John, thanks for sending me those pickups sp fast! Just to show you I can be as accomodating as you can, I'll only charge Brian triple what he paid for them to get them back.;)
 

BrianGWN

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Earlier in this thread someone asked how you could tell whether a HB pickup bar magnet was in the correct way...
Recall that if the same magnetic polarities are brought close together, they will repel, resist being brought together. Conversely, opposite magnetic polarities attract.
Note also that the magnetic poles are along the long edge of the bar magnets, thus the coil/poles of each half of a humbucking pickup "sees" opposite magnetic polarities.

With that in mind it helps to have one good known correct Gibson or close compatible humbucking pickup. If you hold two pickups together face to face with the adjustable poles of one pickup against the adjustable poles of the other, if the two pickups have correct consistent magnet orientation, the pickups should repel, like polarities repel. If you then rotate one pickup 180 so that the adjustable poles of one are facing the stud non-adjustables of the other, you would have opposite polarities and you should feel how the pickups want to pull together, they attract.

If you get the OPPOSITE observation, adjustable poles against adjustable poles attract, you know one of the two pickups has the magnet in backwards to the normal orientation. That is why it really helps to have one known correct pickup, if all you have is two pickups and you find one must have a backwards magnet, it is not really obvious which one is wrong. Being able to compare both against a third known correct pickup will identify the guilty magnet/pickup.

If swapping magnets just keep this in mind and hold the magnet alone against the face of a known correct pickup to verify it's orientation, and install it accordingly.

Hey EdR I still haven't forgot about the coffee mug deal ;)
 

Ed Rafalko

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I could use the coffee mugs, the money OR the pickups.;)
But seriously, you don't have to do anything like that- they'll be here safe and sound waiting on you on Wednesday.
 

roadrunner

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darkburst said:
The P90 has two Alnico V's? How do you determine the magnet orientation for the mod? I've got a SD Alnico V coming for testing, I'd like to get anyones opinion of the tonal differences between it and the Gibson Alnico V in the modded Antiquity.

Take the magnets out of the P90 an lay them on a flat surface. If they attract each other then you have the right orientation for correct "stock" phase.

If the magnets repel each other they are out of phase... if you put them in your pickups with this orientation you will get the "Peter Green" tone :dude when you have both pickups on (middle position on the switch).

Hope that helps!
 

Charlie R57

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Thanks Black Rose

Just wanted to say Thanks John, for all
your Help and the Great, Fast, Friendly
Delivery of my Pickups.
Be talking with you soon. :dude
 

heinz

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Here's another hello to John, thanks as well for the quick service and sweet double-creams!
 
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BlackRose

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Double Cremes ...

Brian,

I put on my last P.O. to Duncan that if the 5 sets of HB's I ordered just happened to turn out to be all cream I wouldn't be at all unhappy. I even talked with one of their Customer Service guys about it.

Guess What .... When I got my order I had four sets of black bobbin and one set of cremes!! I guess that approach didn't work :) Time for plan "B" ...

Hopefully the next order will be the opposite!!

In the meantime, if anyone needs black bobbin Antiquities please call or e-mail me!!

Hi back to all the guy's who posted "Hello's". Sounds like I have some happy customers out there, that's good to know!!
 
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