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Making the Gibson Les Paul Custom Shop 2021 even better!!

Morgan24

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I just don't understand why so many get upset when it comes to differences between vintage Les Paul and Custom Shop. If you love your Custom Shop Les Paul with plastic nitro, incorrect ABR-1 bridge and wrong scale lenght and neck assembly, fine with me I am happy for you and understand, it's a fantastic guitar.
If someone else would like a Les Paul that is a more correct/true/copy of a real burst from 59 how come it is a problem for you?? And why do you need to pick and put these people down??
 

Wizard1183

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I just don't understand why so many get upset when it comes to differences between vintage Les Paul and Custom Shop. If you love your Custom Shop Les Paul with plastic nitro, incorrect ABR-1 bridge and wrong scale lenght and neck assembly, fine with me I am happy for you and understand, it's a fantastic guitar.
If someone else would like a Les Paul that is a more correct/true/copy of a real burst from 59 how come it is a problem for you?? And why do you need to pick and put these people down??
The most accurate reproduction of a Les Paul is NOT a Les Paul...

Gibson doesnt make any m ore or less accurate. You have Braz boards, and new wood. electronics. I mean even IF Gibson got all the parts right, some would still complain. Buy it.....play it.....sell it
 

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I just don't understand why so many get upset when it comes to differences between vintage Les Paul and Custom Shop. If you love your Custom Shop Les Paul with plastic nitro, incorrect ABR-1 bridge and wrong scale lenght and neck assembly, fine with me I am happy for you and understand, it's a fantastic guitar.
If someone else would like a Les Paul that is a more correct/true/copy of a real burst from 59 how come it is a problem for you?? And why do you need to pick and put these people down??
It'd help if you hadn't told everyone their guitars didn't sound great and needed neck resets due to poor fitting of the joint and then spammed Florian emails to try and back that up. It only took about 5 minutes to find an original burst that Florian himself had worked on that had a clearly poor fitting neck joint and he hadn't reset it, so clearly it's not that big of a deal (or using your logic, that burst must sound awful, like every Historic ever made.) It only took another 5 minutes to find another burst that had a factory-original shim at the neck joint as they'd messed it up back in Kalamazoo.

No matter what anyone does or says, you'll never be able to reproduce a burst and even if you were trying, which burst are you replicating? There's so many differences in every single one ever produced, these things weren't clones.

It'd also help if you read a lot more stuff from this site and gained a bit more experience with vintage Gibsons in person. Using YouTube videos to try and back up a range of points isn't very useful when you've got generic 'guitar' YouTubers who aren't Gibson enthusiasts and don't really know that much themselves spouting loads of rubbish.

You didn't help yourself early on in the thread when you asked whether it was easy to change thumbwheels on a bridge (even if you actually meant the posts), it's ok to be new and to not know much yet but don't try and tell people with a few decades of knowledge that they don't know what they're talking about.
 
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Arnold M.

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I just don't understand why so many get upset when it comes to differences between vintage Les Paul and Custom Shop. If you love your Custom Shop Les Paul with plastic nitro, incorrect ABR-1 bridge and wrong scale lenght and neck assembly, fine with me I am happy for you and understand, it's a fantastic guitar.
If someone else would like a Les Paul that is a more correct/true/copy of a real burst from 59 how come it is a problem for you?? And why do you need to pick and put these people down??
I kind of agree with this statement .. since the year long "lockdown" in my case for lack of a better term, I spend hours daily using my guitar .. I love all things about my LP including it's history and build/hardware details to the point of being described as minutia ... honestly, I don't see what the crime is ... to myself it's just harmless fun and a way to fill the hours ...
 

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I just don't understand why so many get upset when it comes to differences between vintage Les Paul and Custom Shop. If you love your Custom Shop Les Paul with plastic nitro, incorrect ABR-1 bridge and wrong scale lenght and neck assembly, fine with me I am happy for you and understand, it's a fantastic guitar.
If someone else would like a Les Paul that is a more correct/true/copy of a real burst from 59 how come it is a problem for you?? And why do you need to pick and put these people down??
People get upset because you‘re spreading absolute erroneous bullshlt.

Also, What guitars do you own? Do you even own a Historic?

You have like 80 posts and 70% of them are fixated perperuating this bullshlt another 10% makes you sound like a schill for Florian Jaeger.

Present facts, if you are so passionate about this incredibly minor point. Don’t fabricate some homemade nonsensical diagram you wrote on a napkin.

Where’s the picture of your favorite Les Paul? This is something most of us share on this forum. It might be more well received if you tell us what you like about your Les Pauls rather than fabricating and spreading false information about other peoples Les Pauls. That is if you actually even own a Les Paul Seriously. It’s enough.
 
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Morgan24

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Well I think this make my point stand out big time.... Thank you guitarbob123 and JPP-1.
 

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"correct/true/copy of a real burst from 59" All a historic will ever be is close but no cigar . I ordered my Historic R7 in 93-94 great guitar also a Guitar trader 82 I have owned & played the evolution up till 2014 . With all the wrong Glue ,Finish , Carve, Fingerboard, Hardware ,Plastic . These are fantastic guitars .

I believe the thread started - became a Troll the Florian photo was circulating on this Forum years back , by the owner whom was trying to qualify this invasive procedure on a new Historic I took the photo as a a joke taken seriously out of the respect for the owner I did not comment . I also find odd is changing the profile of the neck removing material . And neck thumbnail_IMG_2592.jpg set for hide glue .
 

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Well I think this make my point stand out big time.... Thank you guitarbob123 and JPP-1.
What is your point? That when you make repeated troll like posts of fabricated and misleading information, the forum members who push back on it are mean.

Maybe you should go buy a Historic before making these ridiculous and fallacious posts. Playing one is a lot more fun then ruminating over imagined minutia. Then you can share your real experiences with the folks on this board.
 

guitarbob123

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I tried to give you tips on how to conduct yourself if you actually want to be taken seriously, god knows I’ve said plenty of dumb stuff back when I was a kid on here.

I’m out for now, if you want to make yourself a joke then enjoy. I’m off to play my guitar...
 

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2. ABR-1 Thumbwheels
Gibson already makes the thumbwheels of brass. However, they are smaller in diameter and thicker than the vintage pieces. Decent "thin" reproduction brass thumbwheels can be had for under $10 these days.

My 2018 (Wildwood spec R9, Murphy painted, Murphy aged, w/ Brazilian board) has thumbwheels that respond to a magnet like stink on shit, they’re definitely steel. I ordered a pair of vintage accurate ones, and much to my surprise, the tonal balance of the three plain strings improved. The G always seemed a just a touch dull compared to the other two, and either the B or high E (can’t recall now, it’s been a while) was a tad piercing.

Two things then, 1) are you absolutely certain they’re brass now, and if so, 2) when did they change to that? (Maybe I got leftover parts on accident, maybe it’s a 2019 thing, either way, we love minutiae here, let’s figure it out!)

Regardless of the numerous things they could do ”better,” this is still an extraordinary instrument. If anything, I’m glad to see that there are opportunities to again be re-impressed with its beauty, and to re-fall in love with the potential to make gorgeous sounds despite my mediocre playing.

To Mr. Legit’s earlier statement, “Improvement? Sound is subjective, ...” I think this is a conversation we’ve all witnessed and participated in ad nauseam, but for what it’s worth, I think in some cases it is more objective than others. Re: the Segeborn YouTube clip comparing the ‘08 Historic to his ‘50s original, I think the comparison at the very first (middle position, little to no breakup, intermittent single notes and chord arpeggiation) was the most clear case of improvement. Louder, fuller, clearer, sweeter. Later on, with a heavy breakup and bridge selector setting, it was altogether louder, and a bit beefier. That was such a startling difference, I can’t help but wonder how much is right-hand technique inconsistency, and/or the abuse to the strings from all the loosening and retightening, and how much was just the bridge. I say we start a GoFundMe to get brother Segeborn a strumming robot! (I’m kidding. For now.)

At the end of the day it is all art, and art is subjective, and there are some particularly grungy nasty sounds that are used to great effect (personal favorite example is Page’s Living Loving Maid tone. Thin, raspy tone, so gross, but so perfectly called for and fits like a glove). All that said, if a simple (and swappable!) upgrade can give me more of what I already love, I’d say that’s an objective improvement.

Upgrades like this are truly my favorite b/c one can always revert back when doing so facilitates a desired effect.
 

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I heard from a friend they have upgraded the thumbwheels this year(which I believe have been brass for awhile now), they will not put the short seam on the tailpiece or round the edges properly, and that Gibson refuses to update the current shaved ABR-1 which in my opinion is a missed opportunity. I have several vintage ABR-1s and vintage thumbwheels, and I cannot personally hear a difference especially in a live setting. I like the look of the bigger thumbwheels and the more vintage correct ABR-1. Maybe when I finish my project I will hear a difference, but I doubt it. In my opinion, we are talking a 1-2% difference in tone, and you will always sound like you no matter what hardware you have or guitar you have. I try my hardest to avoid putting costly vintage pieces on my Historic when I don’t have to because of this minuscule difference, and for example, paying $1000 plus for a vintage non-wired ABR-1 bridge on a Historic often seems ridiculous to me for such little gains.

If you want a more detailed accurate Les Paul, 335, and SG these days parts wise for a 2017-2021 guitar, then these are the parts I think could make them more accurate from an outer appearance if you are looking to change as little as possible. I even put them in order in terms of accuracy. I did not list all plastics because Gibson has gone through great lengths to even copy the molecular structure, but I still prefer some of the reproductions out there. I tried to only mention brands that are still available, but if I could I’d put DMC/Old Area59, they would still be at the top in many of these areas. The problem is that the good brands come and go, and if you don’t see a brand here, I can bet you I have had it to compare, but it isn’t widely available. None of these reproductions below are perfect either by design or they just lack the ability, but anyways, Gibson still appears to get many of these things wrong. Anyone worth their salt can tell whether the guitar is a Historic from 20 feet away, even a Historic Makeovers one, and if you have held enough old parts and vintage guitars, you can often tell which parts are reproductions and which ones are real.

The Plating:

I don’t know about you, but I despise the green or pink color my hardware turns because of that copper under layer. Gibson could do this if they wanted to.

The Pickguard Spacing To The Cutaway & The Gap

Although this is also specific to each guitar, Gibson mounts their pick guards far away from the cutaway, and this is usually a tell tale sign that screams Historic. I think the worst victims of this are their ES reissue guitars. Luckily, MojoAxe can craft you one that solves this issue without having to re-drill or modify the existing holes. They also lack that bridge or neck gap on their ES line and SG line. The sharpness of the corners is also different.


FOR LES PAULS:

Stop Tailpiece:


Montreux and PigTail are the best you can get at the moment with the short seam and the rounded edges. Perhaps Gibson can improve in this area by making the tailpieces accurate like the other reproductions, but maybe they can place a tell somewhere to differentiate them from the real deal.

Studs:

I don’t know why, but I guess it is the plating that is done, but modern reproductions always end up being too rounded. The Vintage Haven ones are the best I have found, but from their original promo photographs, the Faber ones seem to look very good. CreamTone and all the other brands do not do 100% accurate reproductions of these, but CreamTone at least does copper less plating.

ABR-1 Bridge:

There is no answer for this really since none seem to get the shape right and also manufacture them out of the right material. The old ones all varied in shape, but the 50’s ones have this particular shape that is difficult to describe and not shaved in a hideous way like the current custom shop ones. Even the best reproductions of these seem to exclude or include elements not in the originals. Callaham(Shape Only), Montreux, PigTail, and last but not least CreamTone(Only Because They Do Copperless Plating), and Faber. What is interesting is that the Gotoh ones and this other Brand called Solo Pro makes really good looking ones, but the way the saddles are mounted on the Gotoh ones are different, and on the Solo Pro, the screws are not interchangeable with the Gibson bridges.

ABR-1 Screws:

Nobody currently makes an available good reproduction of these.

ABR-1 Saddles:

Nobody currently makes a good reproduction of these, and if they make them, they are changed from the vintage dimensions, lack the swirl tooling marks, and or made of the wrong material.

ABR-1 Thumbwheels:

If they did indeed upgrade this in 2021, then I suggest you bypass this. The best I have had in comparison to my originals are the Vintage Haven, CreamTone, Montreux, Philadelphia Luthier Tools, and the CrazyParts Area59 brand at dead last(These are only close in diameter).

Switch Nut:

This only applies to 50’s Les Paul Reissues, but the switch nut is not as deep or is knurled differently from a 50’s one, and the ones Gibson uses for its 50’s Les Paul Reissues are more suitable to a 60’s Gibson. The reproductions differ in a number of ways such as the amount of teeth on the outer diameter. I would pick Montreux, Fake58, and I suppose CrazyParts’ Area59 brand at the moment.

Pickguard Bracket:

I would pick Vintage Haven and Montreux at the moment. I am sure there are others, but these are top ones I have seen and held that are still available.

Plain Truss Rod Cover:

The best reproduction I have found in comparison to my originals is the one RetroSpec used to sell for $69 bucks or so. It is very difficult to tell this one apart from my real ones. I know Creamtone and Mark’s Guitar Loft still carries these under the TruVintage line. I would say for roll marks, Vintage Haven, Mark’s Guitar Loft/CreamTone, and Montreux(Burst One) are the best you’re going to get. For non-rolled truss rod covers, MojoAxe(Dan’s Is The Best For That Non-Rolled 50/60’s Truss Rod Cover), current RetroSpec, and Area59 are my favorites. Even the screws for the truss rod cover are wrong at this point, and many of the above brands make the right screws as well excluding versions in gold plating. If you’re here in the states, it is easier to procure the rolled truss rod covers from Mark’s Guitar Loft/CreamTone and more affordable. I feel the Vintage Haven one is really neck in neck with what is already available here in the states.

Kluson Tuners/Tips:

Somewhere in Japan tuners with the correct numbers are being stamped on the bottom of reproduction tuners. So for the tips, your best option at the moment is Vintage Haven, and or Montreux. It would be cool to see Gibson use the right screws for these as well.

Tuner Bushings:

Montreux are the best we’ve got at the moment, but these are scarcely available. Gord Miller is the guy to go to here in the states for these, Guitar Slinger Parts in the UK, and or Ace Guitar parts for Australia.



FOR ES-335’s

I would say all the above if it is a stop tailpiece, plain truss rod cover, and metal saddled model plus these other things here. However, if you have a 1965-1970s Reissue guitar they utilize the correct tuner bushings.

Pickguard Bracket:

Nobody makes a good reproduction of these.

Engraved Truss Rod Cover

I would recommend without hesitation MojoAxe, Montreux, and Area59 at the moment.

Inlays:

The fretboard inlays still lack that 60’s pattern for their 60’s models. I believe Historic Makeovers or CrazyParts has these nailed down.

Knobs:

Even Gibson’s new True Historic reflector knobs are nowhere near in accuracy to the old ones. Nobody seems to make a good gold disk one either. I think Philadelphia Luthier Tools and or Area59 is a good place to start at the moment. The reproductions seem to differ in weight from some of the vintage ones I have had.

THE SG & EARLY 60’s LES PAULS:

I would say all of the above if it is a stop tail metal saddled model. However, if you have a 1965-1970s Reissue guitar they utilize the correct tuner bushings.

Switch Ring:

The early SG/Les Pauls had the font closer to the switch nut, and the way the font is applied is different from the old ones. The True Historic plastics do not replicate this to any degree.

Inlays:

The fretboard inlays still lack that 60’s pattern. I believe Historic Makeovers or CrazyParts has these nailed down.

Knobs:

Even Gibson’s new True Historic reflector knobs are nowhere near in accuracy to the old ones. Nobody seems to make a good gold disk one either. I think Philadelphia Luthier Tools and or Area59 is a good place to start at the moment. The reproductions seem to differ in weight from some of the vintage ones I have had.

Les Paul Engraved Truss Rod Cover:

MojoAxe, Montreux, Area59

Inlays:

The fretboard inlays still lack that 60’s pattern. I believe Historic Makeovers or CrazyParts has these.

Maestro Vibrola Models:

Believe it or not the maestro and side pull vibrato systems they use are not vintage accurate, at least in terms of looks. However, Gibson is supposed to be coming out with a super accurate side pull vibrola for the 60th Anniversary 1960/1961 Les Pauls this year with the long guards.

DISCLAIMER:

There are a lot more reproduction brands and many more things, but I would say these things would get you in the ballpark. These are things Gibson could still improve in my opinion. I make no claims of improvement in tone for any of these things or that you will be able to magically play or sound like Jimmy Page, Eric Clapton, Peter Green, Jeff Beck, Peter Green, Mark Knopfler, Duane Allman, Mike Bloomfield, Billy Gibbons, Slash, Ed King, and or any other player you think you sound like, so prevail at your own risk with your own money.
 
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I heard from a friend they have upgraded the thumbwheels this year(which I believe have been brass for awhile now), they will not put the short seam on the tailpiece or round the edges, and that Gibson refuses to update the current shaved ABR-1 which in my opinion is a missed opportunity. I have several vintage ABR-1s and vintage thumbwheels, and I cannot personally hear a difference especially in a live setting. I like the look of the bigger thumbwheels and the more vintage correct ABR-1. Maybe when I finish my project I will hear a difference, but I doubt it. In my opinion, we are talking a 1-2% difference in tone. In my opinion, you will always sound like you no matter what hardware you have or guitar you have.

If you want a more detailed accurate Les Paul, 335, and SG these days parts wise for a 2017-2021 guitar, then these are the parts I think could make them more accurate from an outer appearance if you are looking to change as little as possible. I even put them in order in terms of accuracy. I did not list all plastics because Gibson has gone through great lengths to even copy the molecular structure, but I still prefer some of the reproductions out there. I tried to mention only brands that are still available, but if I could I’d put DMC/Old Area59, they would still be at the top in many of these areas. The problem is that the good brands come and go, and if you don’t see a brand here, I can bet you I have had it to compare, but it isn’t widely available. None of these reproductions below are perfect either by design or they just lack the ability, but anyways, Gibson still appears to get many of these things wrong. Anyone worth their salt can tell whether the guitar is a Historic from 20 feet away even a Historic Makeovers one, and if you have held enough old parts and vintage guitars, you can often tell which parts are reproductions and which ones are real.

The Plating:

I don’t know about you, but I despise the green or pink color my hardware turns because of that copper under layer.

FOR LES PAULS:

Stop Tailpiece:


Montreux, and PigTail are the best you can get at the moment with the short seam and the rounded edges. Perhaps Gibson can improve in this area by making the tailpieces accurate like the other reproductions, but place a tell somewhere to differentiate them from the real deal.

Studs:

I don’t know why, but I guess it is the plating that is done, but modern reproductions always end up being too rounded. The Vintage Haven ones are the best I have found, but from their original promo photographs, the Faber ones seem to look very good.

ABR-1 Bridge:

There is no answer for this really since none seem to get the shape right and also be manufactured out of the right material. The old ones all varied in shape, but the 50’s ones have this particular shape that is difficult to describe. Even the best reproduction of these seem to exclude or include elements not in the originals. Callaham(Shape Only), Montreux, PigTail, and last but not least CreamTone(Only Because They Do Copperless Plating), and Faber. What is interesting is that the Gotoh ones and this other Brand called Solo Pro makes really good looking ones, but the way the saddles are mounted on the Gotoh ones are different, and on the Solo Pro, the screws are not interchangeable with the Gibson bridges.

ABR-1 Screws:

Nobody currently makes an available good reproduction of these.

ABR-1 Saddles:

Nobody currently makes a good reproduction of these, and if they make them, they are changed from the vintage dimensions, lack the swirl tooling marks, and are of the wrong material.

ABR-1 Thumbwheels:

If they did indeed upgrade this in 2021, then I suggest you bypass this. The best I have had in comparison to my originals are the Vintage Haven, CreamTone, Montreux, Philadelphia Luthier Tools, Area59.

Switch Nut:

This only applies to 50’s Les Paul Reissues, but the switch nut is not as deep or is knurled differently from a 50’s one, and they are more suitable to a 60’s Gibson. Montreux, Vintage Clone, and I suppose Area59.

Pickguard Bracket:

Vintage Haven, Montreux, and I am sure there are others, but these are top ones I have seen and held.

Plain Truss Rod Cover:

The best reproduction I have found in comparison to my originals is the one RetroSpec used to sell for $69 bucks or so. It is very difficult to tell this one apart from my real ones. I know Creamtone and Mark’s Guitar Loft still carries these under the TruVintage line. I would say Vintage Haven, Mark’s Guitar Loft/Creamtone, Montreux(Burst One), MojoAxe(Dan’s Is The Best For That Non-Rolled 50/60’s Truss Rod Cover), RetroSpec, and Area59. Even the screws for the truss rod cover are wrong at this point, and many of the above brands make the right screws as well excluding gold plating.

Kluson Tuners/Tips:

Somewhere in Japan tuners with the correct numbers are being stamped on the bottom of reproduction tuners. So for the tips, your best option at the moment is Vintage Haven, and or Montreux.

Tuner Bushings:

Montreux are the best we’ve got at the moment.



FOR ES-335’s

I would say all the above if it is a stop tailpiece, plain truss rod cover, and metal saddled model plus these other things here. However, if you have a 1965-1970s Reissue guitar they utilize the correct tuner bushings.

Pickguard Bracket:

Nobody makes a good reproduction of these.

Engraved Truss Rod Cover

MojoAxe, Montreux, Area59.

Inlays:

The fretboard inlays still lack that 60’s pattern for their 60’s models. I believe Historic Makeovers or CrazyParts has these.

Knobs:

Their reflector knobs are nowhere near in accuracy to the old ones. Nobody seems to make a good gold disk one either. Philadelphia Luthier Tools and or Area59 is a good place to start.

THE SG & EARLY 60’s LES PAULS:

I would say all of the above if it is a stop tail metal saddled model. However, if you have a 1965-1970s Reissue guitar they utilize the correct tuner bushings.

Switch Ring:

The early ones had the font closer to the switch nut, and the way the font is applied is different from the old ones. The True Historic plastics do not replicate this to any degree.

Inlays:

The fretboard inlays still lack that 60’s pattern. I believe Historic Makeovers or CrazyParts has these.

Knobs:

Their reflector knobs are nowhere near in accuracy to the old ones. Nobody seems to make a good gold disk one either. Philadelphia Luthier Tools and or Area59 a good place to start.

Les Paul Engraved Truss Rod Cover:

MojoAxe, Montreux, Area59

Inlays:

The fretboard inlays still lack that 60’s pattern. I believe Historic Makeovers or CrazyParts has these.

Maestro Vibrola Models:

Believe it or not the maestro and side pull vibrato systems they use are not vintage accurate at least in terms of looks. However, Gibson is supposed to be coming out with a super accurate side pull vibrola for the 60th Anniversary 1960/1961 Les Pauls this year with the long guards.

DISCLAIMER:

There are a lot more reproduction brands and many more things, but I would say these things would get you in the ballpark. These are things Gibson could still improve in my opinion. I make no claims of improvement in tone for any of these things or that you will be able to magically play or sound like Jimmy Page, Eric Clapton, Peter Green, Jeff Beck, Peter Green, Mark Knopfler, Duane Allman, Mike Bloomfield, Billy Gibbons, Slash, Ed King, and or any other player you think you sound like, so prevail at your own risk with your own money.
This is thorough and great indeed!
As for the tone,I've spent hell and bought one original abr-1 along with post and wheels and recorded before/after replacement - the bridge matters a lot IMO,at least. The upper mids and top end harmonics are really different. as for plastic parts I think if we get the materials right, they each contribute a part of the whole picture. Believe or not,there's audible change even the pickguard's angle is varied a little or the pickup ring screws loosened a bit - provided that the pickups are microphonic enough, of course.
 

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What is your point? That when you make repeated troll like posts of fabricated and misleading information, the forum members who push back on it are mean.

Maybe you should go buy a Historic before making these ridiculous and fallacious posts. Playing one is a lot more fun then ruminating over imagined minutia. Then you can share your real experiences with the folks on this board.
The beauty part of your post is the fun that will ensue upon owning and playing a nice Historic . Sitting behind a keyboard will never replicate the joy and epiphany of playing and making music and just plain out having fun !
 

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Jesus... It is unbelievable🤪 I am 50 years old. I have played the guitar for 35 years. I have owned a lot of different guitars in that period. Vintage and Custom Shop of different brands. Do I know it all.... no way.

I have spent a lot og hours reading about Les Paul Custom Shop and I have made post about the upgrades in the " Year by year history" about upgrades from 2013-2019.

I have played a lot of Les Paul Custom Shop guitars and as I have said before," if you would bother reading this thread", they are fantastic guitars. You would also know that I own a Custom Shop 59 M2M, a wedding present from my wife😍

If you think your Les Paul is perfect, fine with me. I made this thread about making the Les Paul 2021 not better,!! but even better. If you have something to say about making the Les Paul better, fantastic speak up. Please don't get crazy about things I or others would hope/like/wish for in future Les Paul Custom Shop.

By the way I love, love and love my Les paul.
 

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Jesus... It is unbelievable🤪 I am 50 years old. I have played the guitar for 35 years. I have owned a lot of different guitars in that period. Vintage and Custom Shop of different brands. Do I know it all.... no way.

I have spent a lot og hours reading about Les Paul Custom Shop and I have made post about the upgrades in the " Year by year history" about upgrades from 2013-2019.

I have played a lot of Les Paul Custom Shop guitars and as I have said before," if you would bother reading this thread", they are fantastic guitars. You would also know that I own a Custom Shop 59 M2M, a wedding present from my wife😍

If you think your Les Paul is perfect, fine with me. I made this thread about making the Les Paul 2021 not better,!! but even better. If you have something to say about making the Les Paul better, fantastic speak up. Please don't get crazy about things I or others would hope/like/wish for in future Les Paul Custom Shop.

By the way I love, love and love my Les paul.
It just comes across in a negative manner . To put it in perspective . This forum has a lot of passionate folks that love the Gibson Les Paul . Both Vintage Bursts and Norlin era Les Paul's . Gibson USA Les Paul's , and Gibson Custom Les Paul's . So when you present your thoughts and opinions , which you are entitled to do so wholeheartedly , you have to realize you are going to get push back when you rag on our favorite instruments . We all here on this forum have spent considerable treasure on our favorite instruments and for someone to come on here and state that we should send them to a makeover artist and to have them rebuilt due to a defect that you perceive as a design flaw than you get what you have received . It's like waving red meat at the lions and the result will be and is predictable . Now in your above post you state " they are fantastic guitars " Then why would you advocate a total reconstruction of the neck going into the body ? We are all a bunch of hardcore enthusiasts that love the Gibson Les Paul ! Now don't you think that this topic will get considerable push back and a negative response from the enthusiasts ?
 

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Jesus... It is unbelievable🤪 I am 50 years old. I have played the guitar for 35 years. I have owned a lot of different guitars in that period. Vintage and Custom Shop of different brands. Do I know it all.... no way.

I have spent a lot og hours reading about Les Paul Custom Shop and I have made post about the upgrades in the " Year by year history" about upgrades from 2013-2019.

I have played a lot of Les Paul Custom Shop guitars and as I have said before," if you would bother reading this thread", they are fantastic guitars. You would also know that I own a Custom Shop 59 M2M, a wedding present from my wife😍

If you think your Les Paul is perfect, fine with me. I made this thread about making the Les Paul 2021 not better,!! but even better. If you have something to say about making the Les Paul better, fantastic speak up. Please don't get crazy about things I or others would hope/like/wish for in future Les Paul Custom Shop.

By the way I love, love and love my Les paul.
A glamour shot of your Historic(s) is typical of a first post. You decided to get right into talking about what can be improved. That is fine. My objections and I believe most of the push back you received happened when you began posting completely erroneous information as fact. That vintage/modern neck diagram sketch you posted appears to be an absolute fabrication which you should take down for integrity’s sake.

This community is served by good and honest debate and the freedom to disagree even vociferously is beautiful thing particualry in today‘s day and age.

Btw, Sounds like a wonderful wife. A 59M2M should be a fantastic Les Paul. Please share some photos of it with us on the board.

 
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