Rmember that You Tube video of Marine throwing puppy?

[Jim Barth]

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- A U.S. Marine videotaped throwing a puppy over a cliff while on patrol in Iraq has been kicked out of the Corps, and a second Marine involved has been disciplined, according to a statement released by the Marines.

YouTube.com removed the video for violating the Web site's terms of use.

Lance Cpl. David Motari, based in Hawaii with the 1st Battalion, 3rd Marine Regiment, is being "processed for separation" and received non-judicial punishment, officials said in the statement Wednesday night. The Marine Corps would not specify what that punishment was because of privacy regulations.

The statement said Motari received the punishment for his role in the "episode which generated international attention."

The incident appeared on the Internet web site YouTube in March, sparking outrage from animal rights groups around the world.

In the video, Motari is seen throwing the dog off a cliff as it yelps.

A second Marine, San Diego-based Sgt. Crismarvin Banez Encarnacion, received non-judicial punishment as well.

Janice Hagar, a spokeswoman for the Marines in San Diego, said Encarnacion shot the video.

Marine officials at the Pentagon would not disclose the severity of the disciplinary action against Encarnacion, also because of privacy regulations.

CNN did not receive a response from the Marine Corps in San Diego to questions about the case.

The statement said the Marines conducted an investigation as soon as the YouTube video came to the attention of commanders.

"The actions seen in the Internet video are contrary to the high standards we expect of every Marine and will not be tolerated," according to the statement.

On the video, Motari smiles as he is holding the puppy and then hurls the dog over a cliff. An unknown person operating the video cameras is heard laughing and another voice saying "that's mean, Motari."

In a statement, the Humane Society of the United States applauded the actions.



Well my guess is this guy will take some deserved grief from the the public for this dip shit act.

 

[J T]

So it was the real thing

bastards!

 

[jrfisher]

That dude is Screwed for life.

He's always gonna hear, "Aren't you the guy that tossed that puppy?".

What he did was very bad but because of the video, it'll haunt him forever.

 

[philip_m]

What he did was very bad but because of the video, it'll haunt him forever.

and rightly so

 

[Allen Collins]

That dude is Screwed for life.

He's always gonna hear, "Aren't you the guy that tossed that puppy?".

What he did was very bad but because of the video, it'll haunt him forever.

He is likely to be such an a$$hole that he has no remorse about what he did. I bet he doesn,t give a shit about what we all think of him.
I hope he gets what he deserves when he arrives at the "pearly gates".
:fu :fu :fu

 

[Wookie]

Karma has a way of catching up to you when you least expect it.

It always does.

Most likely it will happen when he has kids.

Then the world can point the finger at him and laugh.

 

[Browneyes]

you know... they should pay me to do inhumane acts to people who do inhumane acts.

 

[lpnv59]

you know... they should pay me to do inhumane acts to people who do inhumane acts.

I'll kick in some $$$$

They let people off too easy for that kind stuff. I'd like to think, make that need to think, that for every asshole like Motary and Encarnacion, theyre are 1000 good people who would've adopted and cared for that pup.

 

[DEVILBAT]

I'm not making excuses for these guys, but are you aware of the mental health issues being faced by combat troops today?. PTSD? Depression? Anxiety? Could the horror of war desensitized these guys?
Marines experience combat and see death and destruction all around them. I am sure these Marines witnessed alot of death, maybe some of their buddies. Ever hear of the battle of Fallujah? Marines sustained heavy casualties.

Some soldiers and Marines are being given anti depressents and marked "ready for duty" and sent on the battlefield
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1811858,00.html

Suicides are at a 20 year high for our returning veterans.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/05/29/army.suicides/

So. Yes. This dog incident is wrong. Dead wrong. But my main concern is for the health and lives of our troops in the field. And I don't think their mental health needs are being properly addressed by the chain of command.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2007-06-14-mental-health_N.htm

Also...Why no outrage about the deaths of human beings?
http://www.reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/idUSL13686401

 

[Jim Barth]

and rightly so

+1

 

[SFK]

That dude is Screwed for life.

He's always gonna hear, "Aren't you the guy that tossed that puppy?".

What he did was very bad but because of the video, it'll haunt him forever.

I hope so.

 

[Jim Barth]

I'm not making excuses for these guys, but are you aware of the mental health issues being faced by combat troops today?. PTSD? Depression? Anxiety? Could the horror of war desensitized these guys?
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I'm fully aware of all of these things and it does exactly seem like you are making excuses.

Not aware that the DSM - IV, however, lists throwing puppies off cliffs and laughing about it as symptomatic of any of them.

I can pretty much guarantee this guy was an asshole before he went into the military, an asshole while he was there, and an asshole now that he has left.

 

[DEVILBAT]

It seems to me that you are not willing to concede the possibility that this Marine may have mental health problems.
I would suggest you do some reading on PTSD and Iraq veterans.

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/565407

From the article:

In addition to the PTSD deagnosis (309.81 in the DSM-IV)

Beyond the official diagnosis are associated features that result in poor occupational and social function. They include depression, suicidal ideation, alcohol and drug abuse, guilt, shame, inability to trust, overcontrolling, few or no close relationships, extreme isolation, unemployment, divorce, domestic violence, and child abuse.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5334479/

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/38658.php

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12777489/


There is alot of information out there. Just google "Iraq PTSD."

Personally, I think anybody who would do this to an animal has some sort of mental health problem.

 

[kink56]

Often times sadistic killers join the Armed forces, much like some Homosexual pedophiles join the clergy.

 

[kink56]

I wonder if youtube were to show how some soldiers kill innocent people with much the same glee would be more offensive?

 

[Allen Collins]

It seems to me that you are not willing to concede the possibility that this Marine may have mental health problems.

I think we all know this "former" marine has mental problems. Being in a war zone and seeing death and destruction every day does not excuse this type of behaviour.
We see violence against humans (fake and real) daily in movies and drama on TV, conditioning us to such images. Cruelty and torture of animals is not normally shown on TV so gets a much stronger public reaction I think. For sure, this disgrace to the marines will go on to commit greater acts of violence to animals and humans in the future.
I hope he is quickly detained and for a very long time when he does.:jaw

 

[kink56]

isn't it quite alarming that torture, cruelty and the killing of humans does not get the reaction it should? I think it appauling that the dog thing gets such a reaction, whereas similar behavior towards humans would not. THAT, my friend is SICK! He is fucked up, for sure, but so are we, in a much more insideous way.

 

[DEVILBAT]

I think we all know this "former" marine has mental problems. Being in a war zone and seeing death and destruction every day does not excuse this type of behaviour.
We see violence against humans (fake and real) daily in movies and drama on TV, conditioning us to such images. Cruelty and torture of animals is not normally shown on TV so gets a much stronger public reaction I think. For sure, this disgrace to the marines will go on to commit greater acts of violence to animals and humans in the future.
I hope he is quickly detained and for a very long time when he does.:jaw

With all due respect, Allen. Watching violence on television and experiencing first hand the horrors of war up close and personal every day is a ridiculous comparison.
I did not offer PTSD as an excuse. I stated this in the initial post. I merely stated that it may have contributed to this behavior. A possible explanation, not an excuse.

 

[PatentAppliedFor]

another explantion could possibly that he's just a friggin DICK, pure & simple. No Marine/armed forces connotation, just your average garden variety asshole...

 

[Allen Collins]

With all due respect, Allen. Watching violence on television and experiencing first hand the horrors of war up close and personal every day is a ridiculous comparison.
I did not offer PTSD as an excuse. I stated this in the initial post. I merely stated that it may have contributed to this behavior. A possible explanation, not an excuse.

My comparison of TV violence to cruelty against animals was stated in relation to the public views not an active soldiers. Nor was it meant as a comparison to "up close and personal" with the real thing in a war zone
Everyday, kids can watch TV images of people being tortured and maimed (fake or real). Thats why I believe there is more outcry about the video in question than one which may show the death of a human.

I also stand by my belief that there is no place/excuse for such a cruel act against a defenceless animal.
Maybe, more than a handful of Marines would have been happy to give Motari a "push" so he could have seen first hand what he had done? :ganz
Rightly or wrongly I reckon the majority of public would still show more feeling for the animal than Motari, had this happened.
There will always be at LEAST two views on this event.