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Stolen Guitar Turns Up On A Dealer Website

CutieJones

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NO WAY is that guy a legit lawyer. They are sailing close to the wind on this crazy situation, he knows they are stolen goods and YOU are the true owner. I suggest you get some one to go and TAKE IT BACK. You may have to pay some heavies to do it . . . but right is on your side. And the cost of some strong arms will be less than he is asking you to pay to get back your own goods. That sounds like EXTORTION to me and that is VERY serious.
 

Rev.WillieVK

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Tom nailed it! :dude:

You would have to have a contact number in order to go through with this. I would demand the lawyer's name and the "owner's" name before any payment was even considered. You want iron clad proof who you are dealing with.
After getting that info, I wouldn't pay them, I would pass the info to authorities [in their location] along with [another?] copy of the theft report.

I suspect this "lawyer" is not acting within the law. But, I'm not a lawyer. It just sounds very fishy.
 

garywright

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Ok here is the latest update! Around 3:00 PM yesterday I get a "no caller ID" on my cellphone. I answer and a guy identifies himself as a "lawyer" for the mystery owner but wont give me his name or even identify the state he practices in!

So any thoughts?

I wonder if contacting the police dept right away in person with your cell phone in hand along with the stolen police report they could persuade the phone carrier to give up the # and do a reverse phone id on your caller ? ..this way the guy wouldn't have any headsup as to what you're doing.
 

MapleFlame

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Just when I thought this situation couldn't get more crazy, it just did. There's a reason he didn't give his name, he's not an attorney.
 

GotTheSilver

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This is all bullshit. So you got a call from a guy claiming to be a lawyer who wanted to sell you stolen property and would not provide his name or contact information. If that does not scream scam, I don't know what does. You really need to go to the police, provide them with the theft report, name and contact info of the dealer that contacted you last week and give them the informaiton on the call from the anonamous "lawyer". Tell them the entire story and let them take care of it.

I have no idea why you would not have the cops involved in this.
 
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This is all bullshit. So you got a call from a guy claiming to be a lawyer who wanted to sell you stolen property and would not provide his name or contact information. If that does not scream scam, I don't know what does. You really need to go to the police, provide them with the theft report, name and contact info of the dealer that contacted you last week and give them the informaiton on the call from the anonamous "lawyer". Tell them the entire story and let them take care of it.

I have no idea why you would not have the cops involved in this.

Read the posts the cops are involved! I have contacted Las Vegas Metro, Alabama State Police, and Talledega County Sheriff's Office, I have had several long discussions with a Detective at Talledega County Sheriff's Office and I sent him the Stolen Property Report. They have the name and phone number of the dealer in question and they told me they are working on it with LV Metro. You're joking right?
 
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Richard, all the best with this. It sounds like this guitar is super important to you, and I hope it sits back in your hands in the very near future.
 
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Richard, all the best with this. It sounds like this guitar is super important to you, and I hope it sits back in your hands in the very near future.

Thanks guys. It's very frustrating for me and only people who have gone through this understand what I am going through.
 

FretsAlot

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RR,

This could be an outright scam with no connection to the holder of your guitar. There are enough bread crumbs in this thread (your name, your name on the guitar, location, etc) that someone could have tracked you down and is trying to take advantage of your vulnerability in this thing. Just like when people are trying to defraud people for lost pet, etc reward money...

my two pieces of copper, zinc or what ever passes for pennies these days,

Fretsalot/Scott
 
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Was the deceased dealer's first name Ed and his last name begin with an R ?

Guys i know it seems like I am being chickens**t here for not revealing the names of the parties involved in this thing but
try to understand that I have been told not to disclose that information by the cops and other lawyers because of
the ongoing investigation, the potential lawsuits and the fact that these parties might
be less cooperative in the future in helping locate records or names of people that
the Las Vegas dealer knew or that the Alabama dealer knows. We all know
that the guitar dealer community involving a volume business in expensive guitars is a small one.
Sorry.
 
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RR,

This could be an outright scam with no connection to the holder of your guitar. There are enough bread crumbs in this thread (your name, your name on the guitar, location, etc) that someone could have tracked you down and is trying to take advantage of your vulnerability in this thing. Just like when people are trying to defraud people for lost pet, etc reward money...

my two pieces of copper, zinc or what ever passes for pennies these days,

Fretsalot/Scott

Exactly, I have no idea who or what I am dealing with.
 

chasenblues

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Guys i know it seems like I am being chickens**t here for not revealing the names of the parties involved in this thing but
try to understand that I have been told not to disclose that information by the cops and other lawyers because of
the ongoing investigation, the potential lawsuits and the fact that these parties might
be less cooperative in the future in helping locate records or names of people that
the Las Vegas dealer knew or that the Alabama dealer knows. We all know
that the guitar dealer community involving a volume business in expensive guitars is a small one.
Sorry.

Didn't really think you'd give the name..
My question was more tongue in cheek stab in the dark based on a location and the date you mentioned

Don't see how a dead guy could be very cooperative though..

Watching and reading with interest.. Good luck:salude
 

j45

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That was not a lawyer...someone is playing sleazy games with your guitar and it will just get worse.. I don't see how anything could ever happen unless reputations are on the line and everyone involved is forced to cooperate or lose a hell of a lot of business.....period... IMO anything else is a complete waste of time..
 

Wilko

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these fuckers know every slimeball who's fingered that guitar. It's a long line of liars. Of course the previous guy is "dead". How convenient.

What a bunch of bullshit.

Police investigation my ass.

Go public now. No reason they can't investigate that.
 
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Didn't really think you'd give the name..
My question was more tongue in cheek stab in the dark based on a location and the date you mentioned

Don't see how a dead guy could be very cooperative though..

Watching and reading with interest.. Good luck:salude

Chasen thanks and yes but his business (in one form or another?) lives on.

The guy (lawyer?) I was speaking on the phone to sounded very intelligent and was being very careful.
He claimed that if I knew his name I would know who his client is.

So here is a riddle to work on. What guitar dealer or private collector did a big enough business with Vegas dealer that he could
have bought the guitar in 2009 from Vegas dealer (so I was told by Bama dealer BUT I don't know it for a fact)
and then 6 years later being doing big business with Bama dealer and to try to sell the RAR Zemaitis through him
on consignment?
How do I know that mystery dealer even bought the guitar from Vegas dealer in a cash transaction?
For that matter how do I know there even is a mystery dealer????
I found out after the fact that Vegas dealer was having financial problems and was embroiled in lawsuits, maybe he owed mystery dealer money and
just gave him the guitar to pay off a debt? One thing tho that mystery dealer must realize is that the guitar is so unique as per the pictures that unless he makes major value chopping mods he won't be able to sell it without it being recognized. Those Danny O'Brien metalfront plates are unique to him alone. They can't be duplicated and they aren't floating around like replacement parts.
What I guess I am saying is does any of this make sense? This whole thing is so bizarre.
Any thoughts are appreciated.
 
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these fuckers know every slimeball who's fingered that guitar. It's a long line of liars. Of course the previous guy is "dead". How convenient.

What a bunch of bullshit.

Police investigation my ass.

Go public now. No reason they can't investigate that.

Wilko
You are probably right about the mystery dealer etc. but actually Vegas dealer being dead is very inconvenient for me. As Metro told me back then "you got one chance in a thousand of ever seeing your guitar again
and that is if it shows up on online. Keep quiet and keep looking. Good luck" Well I kept quiet and kept looking and it showed up and now I have you guys looking
and helping.
I don't know exactly what the police are doing but I am giving them the benefit of the doubt.
To educate you guys on cop talk, when the cop says "We are doing the best we can" it means
quit bothering us we will contact you when we have something. I started getting that last week so...
 
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Wilko
You are probably right about the mystery dealer etc. but actually Vegas dealer being dead is very inconvenient for me. As Metro told me back then "you got one chance in a thousand of ever seeing your guitar again
and that is if it shows up on online. Keep quiet and keep looking. Good luck" Well I kept quiet and kept looking and it showed up and now I have you guys looking
and helping.
I don't know exactly what the police are doing but I am giving them the benefit of the doubt.
To educate you guys on cop talk, when the cop says "We are doing the best we can" it means
quit bothering us we will contact you when we have something. I started getting that last week so...

I just wanted to add a thank you to everyone who has taken the time to read this thread and tried to help me. I appreciate it very much.
 
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