The Lost Bass Project Success - Can this be done for Beano Burst?

[S. Weiger]

I'd imagine it's gone through a few hands since it was stolen. Wasn't Mr Margouleff sourcing guitars for him?

At least, AFAIK, he's the only person photographed in Ziff's vault, displayed on the, again AFAIK, only public known photo of said vault.
So I wouldn't be surprised if Perry Margouleff was/is Dirk Ziff's bursthunter.

 

[MattD1960]

I know Perry worked with DZ hunting. Also i believe many have been sold off through different channels. The 2/300 burst rumors of the early 2000s are no longer true if they ever were. But as far as the ones he does still have id imagine they are the choicest of the bunch. One day maybe we will get to see or hear

 

[MattD1960]

Heres one i have never seen before check out Beano in action

Would DZ look this cool?

 

[Standard Magic]

A while ago I did research to suggest that McVie's bass was also a burst? Though I don't know/can't re-research it. Maybe this might help:

https://www.talkbass.com/threads/the-many-basses-of-john-mcvie.1304875/

That also went missing, it was a stripped P bass, seems to be the main one used on the Beano album. Not sure how accurate this is but that would make two stolen Beano bursts!

If true then, people knew of the significance of the Beano album a lot earlier than people think. Just a thought.

 

[S. Weiger]

A while ago I did research to suggest that McVie's bass was also a burst? Though I don't know/can't re-research it. Maybe this might help:

https://www.talkbass.com/threads/the-many-basses-of-john-mcvie.1304875/

That also went missing, it was a stripped P bass, seems to be the main one used on the Beano album. Not sure how accurate this is but that would make two stolen Beano bursts!

If true then, people knew of the significance of the Beano album a lot earlier than people think. Just a thought.

Please don't alter the nomenclature. To many, especially here at LPF, there's only one guitar model deserving the name "Burst"

 

[mistersnappy]

What's so weird about it? Not everyone needs to produce a YT video or go on TikTok for everything that interests them.

What’s weird to me is how certain people’s work inspires this kind of obsession. It’s an inside joke that seems to regenerate itself.

 

[slammintone]

I bet the Beano Les Paul is a ‘59.

 

[MattD1960]

I bet the Beano Les Paul is a ‘59.

it could very well be. the thoughts on it being a 60 are just that thoughts.... alot of the mystery comes from interviews done way after the fact, Peter Green said it had a very slim neck compared to greeny so i think thats where alot of the ITS GOTTA BE A 60 comes from, and later in life when clapton bought a burst again he bought a late "tomato soup" 60 and people assume rightly or wrongly that he obviously bought that guitar because it must have reminded him of beano..... point is we will never know until SOME ONE opens their vault and finally lets us in.

 

[William Payne]

Id happily do the research to find it but I live in New Zealand and don't know anyone in the know so I have no idea how I would do it. Only thing I have right now is time.

I don't care how long ago it was, anything stolen is worth finding. Whether its a vintage instrument or a coffee cup. Stealing just goes against everything within me regarding what is morally and ethically correct.

Jimmy Page got his Les Paul Custom back.

 

[GreenBurst]

Fur sure someone has it. It's a vintage Burst. The real question is do they know the guitar's history. How would anyone be able to trace it back to Clapton? I guess that would start with the clearest, unobstructed photos of the top from the day. Would be a good start to post these in this thread for those that have them or that can direct others to the website location.

 

[William Payne]

 

[William Payne]

If the original pickups are still in it. It had a double white neck and a double black bridge.

 

[William Payne]

 

[GreenBurst]

Cool. But basically that's any plain top Burst with Grovers and DC / DB pickups. Anyone with a '59 or '60 plain top Burst, willing to take a risk, can state it's the Beano Burst. B&W photos, without top grain detail, is not enough to prove it either way. Especially 58 years later...

 

[William Payne]

Cool. But basically that's any plain top Burst with Grovers and DC / DB pickups. Anyone with a '59 or '60 plain top Burst, willing to take a risk, can state it's the Beano Burst. B&W photos, without top grain detail, is not enough to prove it either way. Especially 58 years later...

Beano was always a plain top. It was never a flamer. That’s the irony of the Beano burst. Probably the most significant burst out there due to what it represents yet was visually arguably never a stunner. But that’s more personal preference.

I’m trying to find closer photos that I used to have but I can’t remember where I saved them.

 

[gmann]

Cool. But basically that's any plain top Burst with Grovers and DC / DB pickups. Anyone with a '59 or '60 plain top Burst, willing to take a risk, can state it's the Beano Burst. B&W photos, without top grain detail, is not enough to prove it either way. Especially 58 years later...

 

[gmann]

After all this time I wonder if EC could identify it.

 

[MattD1960]

After all this time I wonder if EC could identify it.

he probably couldn't. In the almost 20 years i have been on this forum this topic has gone from interesting to annoying to forgotten about to interesting again, this in a horse that wont die and I LOVE IT. That said, I personally dont think clapton would be able to pick it out of a line up, but i do think EC is smart enough to know that if it did surface and could without a shadow of a doubt be identified it would be the most valuable guitar on the planet, and he then would lay claim to it as stolen property, and my thoughts keeps going on the matter down those tracks, the current owner who i personally believe is Dirk Ziff is aware that EC would want it back and aside from the legality of the situation there would be alot of public pressure from those who care about such things that Clapton be Reunited with his "mythical" "lost" Les Paul.

heres the question i am always left with when i think this through....... how big of a donation to the Crossroads center would it take for DZ to be left with beano no questions asked and allow the burst loving public to know about it.

 

[William Payne]

he probably couldn't. In the almost 20 years i have been on this forum this topic has gone from interesting to annoying to forgotten about to interesting again, this in a horse that wont die and I LOVE IT. That said, I personally dont think clapton would be able to pick it out of a line up, but i do think EC is smart enough to know that if it did surface and could without a shadow of a doubt be identified it would be the most valuable guitar on the planet, and he then would lay claim to it as stolen property, and my thoughts keeps going on the matter down those tracks, the current owner who i personally believe is Dirk Ziff is aware that EC would want it back and aside from the legality of the situation there would be alot of public pressure from those who care about such things that Clapton be Reunited with his "mythical" "lost" Les Paul.

heres the question i am always left with when i think this through....... how big of a donation to the Crossroads center would it take for DZ to be left with beano no questions asked and allow the burst loving public to know about it.

The issue becomes that knowingly taking possession of stolen goods, especially ones that valuable is a rather substantial crime.

 

[GreenBurst]

he probably couldn't. In the almost 20 years i have been on this forum this topic has gone from interesting to annoying to forgotten about to interesting again, this in a horse that wont die and I LOVE IT. That said, I personally dont think clapton would be able to pick it out of a line up, but i do think EC is smart enough to know that if it did surface and could without a shadow of a doubt be identified it would be the most valuable guitar on the planet, and he then would lay claim to it as stolen property, and my thoughts keeps going on the matter down those tracks, the current owner who i personally believe is Dirk Ziff is aware that EC would want it back and aside from the legality of the situation there would be alot of public pressure from those who care about such things that Clapton be Reunited with his "mythical" "lost" Les Paul.

heres the question i am always left with when i think this through....... how big of a donation to the Crossroads center would it take for DZ to be left with beano no questions asked and allow the burst loving public to know about it.

I would suggest that Page's #1 would be more valuable. It has a solid history with Page for over 50 years and is the iconic Zep recording and stage guitar, photographed a million times.

There are barely any photos of the Beano guitar and it has a relatively short history with EC.

Also, given that short life and vague photos, how is it that DZ "allegedly" has Beano? How would he or anyone be able to prove it? I keep seeing references to this but nothing quantifying how or why? Short of actually admitting buying it from the thief that stole it from Clapton. Highly unlikely he acquired it that way as he would have been about 2 yrs old when it was stolen. It must have changed hands many times prior to his acquisition.