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Another proof of the crap rubber lacquer Gibson uses...

soulbrojcs

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If anything, good nitro cellulose is MORE brittle than this and can be picked off with your nails if you really want to. It's not poly! Anyway, with stacking your guitars against the wall like that, I have seen your future:

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OUCH!!!
 

Progrocker111

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Interesting, i have new R8 too and the lacquer and finish seem very vulnerable too. I am more used to old Norlins and they are much more durable and gigable guitars than Historics.

With my Historic, i am sometimes feeling that only a bad sight would make scratches on her finish. :wah
 

wild.joz

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It is strange, because the top finish looks entirely different, in that it is much harder and feels less ruberry... i'm sure the top coat is the same and the whole guitar, maybe the reaction with the maple and/or lacquer used to do the sunburst is different than on the back with just the red filler and top coat on mahogany... Anyway, i'll just keep playing in and let the finish desintegrate as time goes by :)
 

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It is strange, because the top finish looks entirely different, in that it is much harder and feels less ruberry... i'm sure the top coat is the same and the whole guitar, maybe the reaction with the maple and/or lacquer used to do the sunburst is different than on the back with just the red filler and top coat on mahogany... Anyway, i'll just keep playing in and let the finish desintegrate as time goes by :)

This might have to do with the top being maple and the rest mahogany, and the lacquer curing differently on those different woods. My LP was refinished by Florian Jäger with this quite authentic, ultra thin lacquer, and it also chips off quite a bit from the back and neck, but not from the top
 

wild.joz

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I'm not sure what a guitar stand or the case might do for the finish... Which was the initial reason for this thread...
 

BIG Dave

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Stuff like this amazes me how Gibson got it so right in the 50's. Here we are 60+ years later and it's like we took ten steps backwards...
 

Pat Boyack

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I'm not sure what a guitar stand or the case might do for the finish... Which was the initial reason for this thread...

Hey, don't mind me. I cringe when I see people take photos with their new Les Pauls on a concrete water display.....

.....plus seeing that headstock break.......well......oogly-boogly. :bug
 
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J T

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I'm not sure what a guitar stand or the case might do for the finish... Which was the initial reason for this thread...

Keeping it from getting knocked and dinged.

Is your guitar under warranty? If so, call it in. See what they will do. If not, well, maybe send it over to HM.
 

J T

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You also mentioned your guitar is always out of the case in a hot and humid environment. Have you checked the neck or adjusted the truss rod at all?
 

wild.joz

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Yes, neck feels great and truss rod is adjusted. I set it when I purchased the guitar, it never needed a new adjustment since...
 

The Greek

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That Leslie is cornering this poor Strat really hard...

Don't be amazed if 9 months later you see something like that:

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...or that:

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:ganz


Seriously now,this is most probably a moisture problem.And please get some stands.Leaving a Les Paul like that is just disaster waiting to happen...
 

wild.joz

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:rofl

Second pic is actually better then the first one :)

I have them stands... They just look ugly. Maybe I should try to make a stand with nice wood and a low profile?
 
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That broken headstock shot is mine. It didn't sting too much. :laugh2:
 

peeninety

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I'm no expert, and I have no way of knowing whether any of you are either, but, like you, I have an opinion: That guitar is more a reflection of how you treat it than it is a reflection of anything Gibson might have done wrong.

No question, it's your guitar, and you can treat it any way you want to. But it's hard for me to do anything but chuckle at your insinuation that Gibson might be at fault so long as you lean it against anything. All that wear around the edges, faulty lacquer or not, comes from something that is happening physically to that guitar. What, exactly, is that?
 

wild.joz

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@peeninety:
I've been playing guitar for over 20 years, and I've had Les Pauls for just as long. As I said in the first post, I gig my guitars, sometimes hard, but never abuse them. I don't care for the wear at the edges of my R8 even if that happened in 8 months. My '82 Standard shows similar edge wear, but it happened within 30 years, not 8 months. The guitars are both played the same, and stored the same. Again, I don't care about the edge wear.

What's wrong to me, is that the finish simply peels off or falls in large chunks, in a spot where the guitar had a ding. All my guitars have been hit, scratched, dinged, fallen, at one point or another. None had this lacquer issue happening.
If you think I, somehow, deserve it for leaning the guitar against a wall or another guitar, fine. It is simply not the reason why the finish reacts like that.

Anyway, I think we can consider this thread done, as nothing constructive comes out of it anymore.
 

peeninety

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Heck no, man; did not mean to imply that you deserve anything, just that what I see in your photos looks like hard use and careless handling.

I, too, have been playing quite a while and have played LPs most of my time (about 47 years) and have not had the kind of issues you are experiencing with any of them including both Kalamazoo- and Nashville-made instruments from the last six decades.

All my guitars are re-cased when not in use, except for a couple of favorites, which are on stands in protected, low-traffic areas of the house when not in use. At a gig, my guitars don't come out of the case until I'm ready to tune and play, and they are on a secure stand when not in use. At gig's end, they are wiped and returned to the case.
 
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